BCL102, Is there happy owners??
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walleyed99
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- I'm not telling, Sask
Bhahahahahahaha, I'm sorry somebody sh!T in your cornflakes and made you so upset
I’m happy with my BCL. Had some ejection issues but those have mostly gone away, I’ll be looking to add a DPMS ejector just in case. Even though my FTEs are very infrequent, the rounds don’t kick out very far. It’s my understanding that a new ejector will solve that.
I have a first gen and its great. I shot it with the stock barrel for a while but wanted more so i swaped out for a mapleridge armory 6.5 creedmoor and im very happy with the results. Its my go to hunting gun and as long as i dont sling any other rifle i own i can almost forget its like packing around a compact car.
Hahaha!
One time I decided I was going to take my M14 to my favourite deer stand, well after lugging that 14lbs in a few miles it almost stayed there lol
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Have not gotten mine to the range since they replaced the barrel with an identical barrel that also looks like it was made by the Russians in 1943.
hoping for something other than hundreds more wasted rounds in fruitless load development
Otherwise the only thing it hated to cycle is the chinese 7.62 stuff. Lots of failures to eject with it. I consider that nothing more than break-in blasting ammo though, more fit for the M305.
Since the gun isn't worth more than half it's presale price I'd probably look at a rebarrel rather than dumping it. It's still a scary "assault-style" rifle after all. There's a less tangible value in owning those.
hoping for something other than hundreds more wasted rounds in fruitless load development
Otherwise the only thing it hated to cycle is the chinese 7.62 stuff. Lots of failures to eject with it. I consider that nothing more than break-in blasting ammo though, more fit for the M305.
Since the gun isn't worth more than half it's presale price I'd probably look at a rebarrel rather than dumping it. It's still a scary "assault-style" rifle after all. There's a less tangible value in owning those.
The assumption is that BCL has sold a ton of these across Canada if the current SNs is any indication.
I saw another happy customer at our gun range here on the island I started to think they are more popular then I was led to believe.
It is the customers with problems tends to be the loudest voices, and rightfully so if their rifles remain unreliable.
It will be interesting to see what BCL does over the long term to win back the herd.
Boeing may (or may) not be in a case study in regaining customer confidence.
Even the mighty Boeing can screw up a new product.
That is one company that has a much bigger PR problem than BCL.
I saw another happy customer at our gun range here on the island I started to think they are more popular then I was led to believe.
It is the customers with problems tends to be the loudest voices, and rightfully so if their rifles remain unreliable.
It will be interesting to see what BCL does over the long term to win back the herd.
Boeing may (or may) not be in a case study in regaining customer confidence.
Even the mighty Boeing can screw up a new product.
That is one company that has a much bigger PR problem than BCL.
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Well, I've got perfect timing - perfectly bad that is. Just bought my brand new BCL102 3 days ago - haven't even fired it yet and now I find this thread!
I thought I'd done enough research to be comfortable with buying it but realize there are a several issues I didn't know about. This is my first AR type firearm. I have my rPal but couldn't justify a range-only firearm. Actually, the main reason for not buying a restricted is that I find the transport requirements of a restricted to be too constraining.
One thing is that the manual strongly stresses the need for cleaning. Here is a section quoted from the manual with bolding from me;
Your firearm should be cleaned before and after every use, and before and after storage. Regular cleaning is important in order for your firearm to operate correctly. Cleaning your firearm requires it to be field stripped so you can remove carbon, fowling, dust and debris and add lubrication.
Additional care and cleaning is required when operating the firearm in:
DUSTY AND SANDY AREAS
• Clean the weapon before and after firing and/or at least once per day
• Reduce lubrication to avoid dust dirt or sand sticking to the lubrication and causing additional friction in the moving parts.
• Keep the weapon covered whenever possible and the dust 1 cover closed.
TROPICAL CONDITIONS (HOT AND HUMID)
• Clean the weapon before and after firing and/or at least once per day
• Inspect for rust at least once per day.
• After handling, wipe the weapon down with an oily cloth to
remove perspiration which will accelerate corrosion
ARCTIC CONDITIONS
• Clean the weapon before and after firing and lubricate sparingly
• Cycle the weapon frequently to prevent the mechanism from freezing up
OK, so I get that any firearm should be cleaned regularly but is it really that fussy that it needs this amount of cleaning in order to function reliably?
Bear with me, I'm going to make a stupid comparison (please be kind with your comments); I have a Ruger 10/22 that literally went years without cleaning (maybe a 1000 rounds). When I finally got around to cleaning it there was a significant amount of crud to remove but I had zero failures - zero. I'm a little embarrassed about how long I left it uncleaned (life events, moving, long-term storage, disorganization, etc). Good thing this forum is anonymous because I'd never admit it in public! Now, obviously, I realize there's a huge difference between a blowback rifle and one that uses an impigement gas system. Is this rifle really so dependent on cleaning - before and after every use or this more a case of the manufacturer simply setting a high standard to head off complaints. Sony says stupid stuff like you should clean your clock radio with a clean, dry cloth once per month. Has anyone ever cleaned their clock radio? BCL says; clean it before and after every use, before and after storage, after touching it so your fingerprints don't cause corrosion. Have I bought the British sports car version of a rifle - tune up before every drive?
Another concern is that the manual clearly states it's chambered/designed for .308 and not 7.62.
The BCL102 is chambered in 308 LR. This chamber configuration offers a slightly thinner throat with a longer freebore to effectively regulate chamber pressure and account for variance in bullet design. The BCL102 with the 308LR chamber has provided the most consistent accuracy with 175 grain and 178 grain bullets, such as Hornady 8105 308Win 178gr, but has also performed well with lighter bullets such as Hornady 80927 308Win 155gr Black
Early BCL102’s were chambered in 7.62 NATO.
Does this mean I will have problems with 7.62?
I understand that a rifle of this type will require a higher level of maintenance/cleaning but if it's extremely fussy about cleaning and ammo type maybe it's more trouble than its worth.
I thought I'd done enough research to be comfortable with buying it but realize there are a several issues I didn't know about. This is my first AR type firearm. I have my rPal but couldn't justify a range-only firearm. Actually, the main reason for not buying a restricted is that I find the transport requirements of a restricted to be too constraining.
One thing is that the manual strongly stresses the need for cleaning. Here is a section quoted from the manual with bolding from me;
Your firearm should be cleaned before and after every use, and before and after storage. Regular cleaning is important in order for your firearm to operate correctly. Cleaning your firearm requires it to be field stripped so you can remove carbon, fowling, dust and debris and add lubrication.
Additional care and cleaning is required when operating the firearm in:
DUSTY AND SANDY AREAS
• Clean the weapon before and after firing and/or at least once per day
• Reduce lubrication to avoid dust dirt or sand sticking to the lubrication and causing additional friction in the moving parts.
• Keep the weapon covered whenever possible and the dust 1 cover closed.
TROPICAL CONDITIONS (HOT AND HUMID)
• Clean the weapon before and after firing and/or at least once per day
• Inspect for rust at least once per day.
• After handling, wipe the weapon down with an oily cloth to
remove perspiration which will accelerate corrosion
ARCTIC CONDITIONS
• Clean the weapon before and after firing and lubricate sparingly
• Cycle the weapon frequently to prevent the mechanism from freezing up
OK, so I get that any firearm should be cleaned regularly but is it really that fussy that it needs this amount of cleaning in order to function reliably?
Bear with me, I'm going to make a stupid comparison (please be kind with your comments); I have a Ruger 10/22 that literally went years without cleaning (maybe a 1000 rounds). When I finally got around to cleaning it there was a significant amount of crud to remove but I had zero failures - zero. I'm a little embarrassed about how long I left it uncleaned (life events, moving, long-term storage, disorganization, etc). Good thing this forum is anonymous because I'd never admit it in public! Now, obviously, I realize there's a huge difference between a blowback rifle and one that uses an impigement gas system. Is this rifle really so dependent on cleaning - before and after every use or this more a case of the manufacturer simply setting a high standard to head off complaints. Sony says stupid stuff like you should clean your clock radio with a clean, dry cloth once per month. Has anyone ever cleaned their clock radio? BCL says; clean it before and after every use, before and after storage, after touching it so your fingerprints don't cause corrosion. Have I bought the British sports car version of a rifle - tune up before every drive?
Another concern is that the manual clearly states it's chambered/designed for .308 and not 7.62.
The BCL102 is chambered in 308 LR. This chamber configuration offers a slightly thinner throat with a longer freebore to effectively regulate chamber pressure and account for variance in bullet design. The BCL102 with the 308LR chamber has provided the most consistent accuracy with 175 grain and 178 grain bullets, such as Hornady 8105 308Win 178gr, but has also performed well with lighter bullets such as Hornady 80927 308Win 155gr Black
Early BCL102’s were chambered in 7.62 NATO.
Does this mean I will have problems with 7.62?
I understand that a rifle of this type will require a higher level of maintenance/cleaning but if it's extremely fussy about cleaning and ammo type maybe it's more trouble than its worth.
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I have a 1st gen with around 500 rounds through it, and a "3rd gen" built from scratch with about 150 rounds through it, buffer assembly, BCG, and receiver are from BCL. Both rifles function flawlessly and I've tried a bunch of brands of hunting ammo through them both with no issues. Mine are not picky.
My 3rd gen got trekked through the bush, up and down mountains, through rain, snow, and swamps, and has been put on the ground and picked up more times than I can count. Still fired straight and fed normally with nothing but a light oiling after a particularly rainy day halfway through the season. Mine do not require any special maintenance.
Consider me a happy owner.
My 3rd gen got trekked through the bush, up and down mountains, through rain, snow, and swamps, and has been put on the ground and picked up more times than I can count. Still fired straight and fed normally with nothing but a light oiling after a particularly rainy day halfway through the season. Mine do not require any special maintenance.
Consider me a happy owner.
I have a 1st gen with around 500 rounds through it, and a "3rd gen" built from scratch with about 150 rounds through it, buffer assembly, BCG, and receiver are from BCL. Both rifles function flawlessly and I've tried a bunch of brands of hunting ammo through them both with no issues. Mine are not picky.
My 3rd gen got trekked through the bush, up and down mountains, through rain, snow, and swamps, and has been put on the ground and picked up more times than I can count. Still fired straight and fed normally with nothing but a light oiling after a particularly rainy day halfway through the season. Mine do not require any special maintenance.
Consider me a happy owner.
Roughly what serial is yours? I’ve asked a couple times what the starting serial numbers for the Gen 3, not sure if mine is a gen 2 or 3 lol
I have 2 second gens one was a reciever set I built a 6.5 cm build on that shoots sub 0.5 moa easily. The other was fine in factory configuration and got about 1.5 to 2 moa. Then decided to swap the barrel, bcg, trigger, handguard, charging handle, and bolt catch to my preference. Not much left of the original gun.
Never had an issue with my bcl102. Has worked flawlessly for the 3-400 rounds I have down the pipe of mine. Had one warranty issue that was solved but I went through SFRC to get it figured out. My warranty issue was I had a rifle with the large ejection port and cover didn't cover it. They replaced my upper and had rifle back to me in maybe 2-3weeks. Not sure of accuracy of mine but I seem to be able to hit plates at 250 with a 6x scope almost every shot so accurate enough for me. Also have an NEA15, or whatever they called their ar15. Bought it for a song from SFRC when they were blowing out all the older NEA stuff out. It also works flawlessly. So maybe I'm just one of the lucky ones. My biggest compliant is the price drop from preorder to now but honestly not looking to sell anytime soon so matters very little.
