Cree hunter upset after Quebec police question if his guns are registered

I’ve never been upset when I’ve been asked to provide my registration certificate.....let alone go to the media about it. What is the point of a registry if law enforcement cant ask you for a registration?

First thing a cop asks for in a traffic stop is a license and registration. Why would this be any different?

The kicker here is...HE DIDNT EVEN HAVE THE GUN REGISTERED!!! Thats why the officer asks because its a requirement in Quebec
 
1963beretta said:
I didnt say there was....but when there is one effect, you’re required to register your firearms and have your registration certificate on you when you’re carrying your firearm. Like it or not, thats the law and its pretty plain and simple
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Obviously the Firearms Registration Act is the law in Quebec. That doesn't mean anyone - regardless of their colour, creed, race, gender, heritage, etc, etc - ought to be happy about it, or happy that someone is questioned or charged because of it. Enforcement of such a ridiculous law does nothing for firearms owners in Quebec, or anywhere else. Complaining that someone wasn't charged under the Act is equally asinine.
 
First and foremost, I am completely against this bogus registry they have in Quebec. But the whole tradition thing is BS, my ancestors have been in Canada for well over 400 years. As some of the very first settlers of New-France, they built everything they had from scratch and lived off the land. Why can't it be tradition for me? These people have as much in common with their ancestors as I have, which is NOTHING other than genetics.
 
CV32....you dont get it and thats fine with me. But let me ask you this....I live in Ontario and I have x amount of firearms. Many of which were once registered in the old LGR. When I permanently move to Quebec, what do you suggest I do? Should I bring my firearms with me quietly and not register them because as we all know, the registry is stupid? Or should I register them when I become a permanent resident of Quebec? What would you do in my situation? Would you not register them and claim ignorance if caught because “where I’m from, there is no registry”?

Better yet, did you have guns before the federal LGR? What did you do when we were mandated to register long guns?
 
1963beretta said:
CV32....you dont get it and thats fine with me.
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Its perfectly okay. From where I sit YOU don't get it. :)

But let me ask you this....I live in Ontario and I have x amount of firearms. Many of which were once registered in the old LGR. When I permanently move to Quebec, what do you suggest I do? Should I bring my firearms with me quietly and not register them because as we all know, the registry is stupid? Or should I register them when I become a permanent resident of Quebec? What would you do in my situation? Would you not register them and claim ignorance if caught because “where I’m from, there is no registry”?Better yet, did you have guns before the federal LGR? What did you do when we were mandated to register long guns?
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You seem to be confused (still). Because you'll be hard pressed to find where I said you should not follow the law. Not following the law comes with risk. But you have my open invitation to try and find it. But let's go a little further with your hypothetical. If your neighbour in Quebec doesn't register his guns, are you going to be the first one on the phone to tell the authorities to come and get the "bad guy"? And if so, does this make you happy? In your view, does it advance the cause of firearms rights - and more specifically, serve to oppose or encourage more nonsensical gun control?
 
CV32 said:
Its perfectly okay. From where I sit YOU don't get it. :)



You seem to be confused (still). Because you'll be hard pressed to find where I said you should not follow the law. Not following the law comes with risk. But you have my open invitation to try and find it. But let's go a little further with your hypothetical. If your neighbour in Quebec doesn't register his guns, are you going to be the first one on the phone to tell the authorities to come and get the "bad guy"? And if so, does this make you happy? In your view, does it advance the cause of firearms rights - and more specifically, serve to oppose or encourage more nonsensical gun control?
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How is complying with law (no matter how stupid the law is) in any way, shape, or form similar to reporting a neighbour. When the LGR was brought in, I resisted for as long as I could. Then, I had to make a choice - not register, and never use my guns again to keep them hidden, or register and keep using them. I registered. However, I knew plenty of guys that had unregistered guns, and I never reported them. I would not have, unless I felt they posed a risk to society - if they had turned violent, or suicidal. If I moved to Quebec (and I have absolutely no intention of ever living there), I would be faced with the same choice. And I would do exactly the same thing regarding reporting anyone. What makes you think 1963Beretta would be any different.

Let's make darned sure we keep up the attacks on each other. Great way to get allies to help in the fight.
 
Papaclaude said:
How is complying with law (no matter how stupid the law is) in any way, shape, or form similar to reporting a neighbour. When the LGR was brought in, I resisted for as long as I could. Then, I had to make a choice - not register, and never use my guns again to keep them hidden, or register and keep using them. I registered. However, I knew plenty of guys that had unregistered guns, and I never reported them. I would not have, unless I felt they posed a risk to society - if they had turned violent, or suicidal. If I moved to Quebec (and I have absolutely no intention of ever living there), I would be faced with the same choice. And I would do exactly the same thing regarding reporting anyone. What makes you think 1963Beretta would be any different. Let's make darned sure we keep up the attacks on each other. Great way to get allies to help in the fight.
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I completely agree with you. There is no purpose to this paper offence, and enforcement of it serves no one. Least of all the allies we have in other gun owners. That is exactly the point. And I never said 1963Beretta would be any different on the issue, except that he appears to be upset that Mr. Cox hasn't been charged. Presumably because he wants to see the law, however nonsensical it may be, enforced. He is free to clarify.
 
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Advance the cause for firearm rights?? I’ll tell you what doesnt advance the cause....people who break the law. The whole argument that the registry doesnt work because all it does is regulate law abiding citizens is thrown out the window when people dont follow the law to begin with. I know plenty of people who never registered their firearms when the long gun registry was implement. I would never rat on them, but I will tell you this....I did what most others did and that was comply with the new laws. If one of the people i knew were charged for not doing the same, I would not stand beside them in protest. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. As I mentioned before, no one is above the law. No one should be treated better or worse then anyone else. Stupid laws still need to be followed. Comply with the laws and protest legally and lobby for common sense changes. But you lose your right to that when you dont comply with the laws to begin with
 
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1963beretta said:
f:P: Advance the cause for firearm rights?? I’ll tell you what doesnt advance the cause....people who break the law. The whole argument that the registry doesnt work because all it does is regulate law abiding citizens is thrown wout the window when people dont follow the law to begin with. I know plenty of people who never registered their firearms when the long gun registry was implement. I would never rat on them, but I will tell you this....I did what most others did and that was comply with the new laws. If one of the people i knew were charged for not doing the same, I would not stand beside them in protest. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes
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So, when those people you know didn't register their firearms with the LGR, you didn't "rat" on them. Great. Presumably you weren't even upset by their non-compliance, and it didn't cause you any personal grief. So why does Mr. Cox's apparent non-compliance with a provincial act (not even a Criminal Code offence) bother you so much?

Edit: If someone wanted to challenge Quebec's Firearms Registration Act in court, is your position (a) shut up and comply, or (b) I wish you every success?
 
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Further to my last post, you read the article as a gun owner. The majority of people reading articles like this are not gun owners and have zero idea of what the gun laws actually are. Many of which are anti gun and want to see all firearms banned. Crap like this just gives them more ammunition for their gun ban agenda. All they read is that some guy doesn't register his guns so thats proof that gun owners cant be trusted. Thats all they need to see and hear. The icing on the cake for them is the thought that the guy breaking the law is likely teaching others to do the same since he’s an instructor. I will not stand alongside such characters.
 
Your last question is a non starter. You are required to comply whether you like it or not. Then collectively, the firearm community lobbies to have things changed. No different then what happened in the past with the federal LGR.

I’ll tell you who didn't join us in the fight to squash the LGR...people who didnt comply with the new laws in the first place. Nice alies you want to have
 
1963beretta said:
Further to my last post, you read the article as a gun owner. The majority of people reading articles like this are not gun owners and have zero idea of what the gun laws actually are. Many of which are anti gun and want to see all firearms banned. Crap like this just gives them more ammunition for their gun ban agenda. All they read is that some guy doesn't register his guns so thats proof that gun owners cant be trusted. Thats all they need to see and hear. The icing on the cake for them is the thought that the guy breaking the law is likely teaching others to do the same since he’s an instructor. I will not stand alongside such characters.
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Yes, I read this article (about police inquiries of whether guns were registered) from the perspective of a gun owner. Absolutely. And the last thing I will do is wave my finger and say he ought to be punished for his non-compliance with a silly law just like the rest of us poor sods. The law should go away, and if he can avoid its clutches or beat a charge made under it, all power to him.

As for non-gun owners, they ought to read the article from the perspective of asking what does this registry accomplish. Did the registry prevent or solve a crime? No. It accomplished nothing except to harass a hunter.
 
1963beretta said:
Your last question is a non starter. You are required to comply whether you like it or not. Then collectively, the firearm community lobbies to have things changed. No different then what happened in the past with the federal LGR. I’ll tell you who didn't join us in the fight to squash the LGR...people who didnt comply with the new laws in the first place. Nice alies you want to have
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I can't help but notice you don't want to answer it. Obviously we have very different views of what ought to happen to someone who (for whatever reason) chose not to register his firearms with the province of Quebec. (Again, not a crime.) I certainly don't think he ought to be strung up as some kind of shining example of how the rest of us firearms owners are compliant sheep who will quickly and quietly do whatever we are told. History tells us what happens to those folks.
 
Have you lost sight at the fact that buddy took this crap to the media by his own doing? And he did so after being let off as you indicated you support.

Did you not pick up on the fact that his reasoning about going to the media had nothing to do with the actual firearms laws itself and how dumb and flawed they may be? None of that was of his concern. Why? Because he couldnt give a piss about that.

The agenda for the complaint is clear. Im FN.....you dont need to ask me if my gun is registered because Im on a traditional hunt. And its offensive if you dare ask me that question.....

Nothing about what this guy did was in protest for firearm rights for you, me or anyone else. Thats what is bothersome. This was not an act of taking one for the team. This was a “stick your laws up your @ss” and leave us alone so we can keep living our traditional lifestyle.

And I did answer your question...you choose not to understand it.....And non compliance isnt what got the LGR turfed...
 
well the quebec registry is about equivalent to the speed limit laws and the highway traffic act.

I guess no one speeds in Quebec either

or does rolling stops at rural stop signs

or about a million other stupid laws, like bringing beer across provincial borders

I registered what I was forced to register under the old LGR, not all my firearms were registered and some were registered multiple times due to all the errors in the system, not to mention the ones that I transferred and somehow ended up still registered to me years later. As far as I was concerned it was not possible to comply with a system that was so riddled by errors.
 
1963beretta said:
Have you lost sight at the fact that buddy took this crap to the media by his own doing? And he did so after being let off as you indicated you support. Did you not pick up on the fact that his reasoning about going to the media had nothing to do with the actual firearms laws itself and how dumb and flawed they may be? None of that was of his concern. Why? Because he couldnt give a piss about that. The agenda for the complaint is clear. Im FN.....you dont need to ask me if my gun is registered because Im on a traditional hunt. And its offensive if you dare ask me that question..... Nothing about what this guy did was in protest for firearm rights for you, me or anyone else. Thats what is bothersome. This was not an act of taking one for the team. This was a “stick your laws up your @ss” and leave us alone so we can keep living our traditional lifestyle. And I did answer your question...you choose not to understand it.....And non compliance isnt what got the LGR turfed...
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His personal motivations (or yours) are irrelevant to me. Quebec's Firearms Registration Act is nonsensical, and I refuse to wag my finger at someone for not complying with it. Full stop. You are quite welcome to disagree with me.
 
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