I have a savage mk2 with a heavy barrel and the fake wood stock. It is a bolt action. Here lies the problem. When i take this rifle out shooting, the groups are right tight. It issue is they are 1-2 inches off off where I am aiming. After about 50 rounds the group has moved back to being right center on the target with nice tight groups for this rifle. NO scope adjustments are made. I am one of those that does not clean a gun until its needed. I am shooting CCI standard velocity. The scope is a vortex crossfie 2 6-18x. Does this sound normal or is something wrong? I treat this gun no different with my cleaning scheduale than any other .22 I have owned. No have had an issue like this.
Rifle and or scope problem
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coleman1495
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Sounds like the scope. Id switch to another scope and see if the problem persists.
the return to POA after shooting multiple rounds is indicative of a possible temperature sensitive issue.
check that the stock does not touch the barrel after the 'warm-up' shooting.
Alternative is use of a heat gun to warm the barrel and see if that provides a similar issue.
The consistency as stated makes it unlikely to be the scope - internal failure on the scope would be unlikely to repeat like than.
and the scope is usually isolated enough to eliminate heat as the issue.
However it could be in the scope mount attachment to the receiver to be a heat issue.
check that the stock does not touch the barrel after the 'warm-up' shooting.
Alternative is use of a heat gun to warm the barrel and see if that provides a similar issue.
The consistency as stated makes it unlikely to be the scope - internal failure on the scope would be unlikely to repeat like than.
and the scope is usually isolated enough to eliminate heat as the issue.
However it could be in the scope mount attachment to the receiver to be a heat issue.
A little more information might be helpful.
Are you shooting offhand or from a rest? At what distance are you seeing the results you describe? What size are the "nice tight groups for this rifle" you get after "about 50 rounds"? Do those tight groups continue after 50 rounds without interruption?
Are you shooting offhand or from a rest? At what distance are you seeing the results you describe? What size are the "nice tight groups for this rifle" you get after "about 50 rounds"? Do those tight groups continue after 50 rounds without interruption?
I am shooting off of a bi pod at 50 yards. When I say tight groups they are all in the 1/2” and a bit bigger range. Which is where all the tests and other reviews say this gun should be with CCI standard velocity. With the gun being a bolt action with a 5 shot clip and the fact that I relax with beers between clips while shooting I don’t believe the barrel even gets warm. Although I could be wrong. I also have a built up cheek pad on it so my face is always in the same spot.
Edit. The group size always stays consistent. The point of impact just moves to centre then stays there.
Edit. The group size always stays consistent. The point of impact just moves to centre then stays there.
Are the first groups always off POA or just sometimes? What I mean is that is the pattern of behaviour consistent and occurring always or does in only happen sometimes.
One of the challenges of putting groups in the same spot relative to the POA is that the rifle can experience inconsistent and uneven pressure changes when moving from target to target. It may seem like there is very little pressure applied to moving the rifle from one target to the next -- but it doesn't take much to move the POI from one target to the next.
One of the challenges of putting groups in the same spot relative to the POA is that the rifle can experience inconsistent and uneven pressure changes when moving from target to target. It may seem like there is very little pressure applied to moving the rifle from one target to the next -- but it doesn't take much to move the POI from one target to the next.
Can't imagine why your accuracy is all over the place.
If you're still curious about the accuracy issues, try a different scope, confirm your barrel is free-floated..and leave the booze until after the shooting is done. Bipods are moody things too. How you load (or don't) the bipod changes things, and a lack of a rear rest throws the variables too. I varmint hunt with a bipod, but do all my accuracy testing using heavy bags fore/aft. Also worth noting, the only scope I've ever had to send back for warranty work was a Vortex Crossfire. Don't have a shred of faith in those things.
Mystic Precision
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Bedding is not correct. Loosen the action bolts and I expect the action will rattle nicely in the stock. If you can bed the front of the action and support the barrel, that will go a long ways to keeping the barrel centered and stable in the barrel channel.
Then shim/bed under the action bolt pillars so that the action doesn't bend or flex when you tighten the action bolts.
I suspect your problem will be solved.
Jerry
Which bolts are the action bolts? What is the action? I did have the gun apart when i bought it to loosen up the tension on the accu trigger.
The action screws or bolts hold the barreled action and stock together. Take the stock off and then reinstall the barreled action and the stock. Don't overtighten the action screws. I don't know offhand how tight they should be, but if you have a torque driver tighten to about 20 - 25 inch pounds (NOT FOOT POUNDS).
Mystic Precision
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The bolts you removed to take the long metal thingy out of the black wood handle....thems the action bolts.
Just set up a Savage TR and the bedding was the typical "drop in" fit. Bedding the action and shimming under the action pillars leveled every thing and allowed for action bolts to be snugged up properly. Otherwise, the action could be felt bending as the action screws were tightened and loosened... not good.
now it shoots great... around 1" at 100yds with SK match ammo.
Jerry
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The bolts you removed to take the long metal thingy out of the black wood handle....thems the action bolts.
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Just set up a Savage TR and the bedding was the typical "drop in" fit. Bedding the action and shimming under the action pillars leveled every thing and allowed for action bolts to be snugged up properly. Otherwise, the action could be felt bending as the action screws were tightened and loosened... not good.
now it shoots great... around 1" at 100yds with SK match ammo.
Jerry
Hey Jerry, you should find a source for shorter rings. Just kidding
Mystic Precision
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Progressive lenses... on the "up" side, it makes it far more comfy on my neck in all sorts of wonky positions found in CRPS shooting.
the center of my lenses now align precisely with the scope and image quality is excellent and I don't need to bob my head to try and get it in focus
A very positive solution.....
Jerry
