Very likely .... where is the constant outcry in the media over short barrelled pistols being taken away? (of course there isn’t any as it’s all going as planned) .... we have a generation of owners getting to the end of their lives and prohib pistols go to auction and sell for nothing as fewer people are allowed to own them.
Is buying a lower receiver enough.
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Very likely .... where is the constant outcry in the media over short barrelled pistols being taken away? (of course there isn’t any as it’s all going as planned) .... we have a generation of owners getting to the end of their lives and prohib pistols go to auction and sell for nothing as fewer people are allowed to own them.
Who knows? It’s all speculation .... import ban on parts later on? Who knows?
The stripped lower, in my view, is the most economical way to try and stay in the game. Some people have families, some people are struggling financially, etc. Lowers are the cheapest way to show support for AR ownership and to try and keep in the game. I’ve seen lowers for as little as $80 ..... maybe they’ll be able to build those rifles later.
That's a good question.
Is a barrel and a lower sufficient to get the classification changed from frame/lower to an actual gun?
From the registration certificate:
Standard Conditions
Firearm owners must report to the Registrar of Firearms, within 30 days:
- any change to a frame or receiver that allows it to discharge ammunition...
Having a stripped lower and a barrel wouldn't seem to meet the standard of firing a shot.
Standard Conditions
Firearm owners must report to the Registrar of Firearms, within 30 days:
- any change to a frame or receiver that allows it to discharge ammunition...
Having a stripped lower and a barrel wouldn't seem to meet the standard of firing a shot.
Theoretically, you should only be notifying them once the receiver is capable of discharging ammunition. Realistically, I don’t see a problem with doing it ahead of time assuming you know the caliber and barrel length.
However, there is no guarantee any of you will get the parts to finish your builds. There are a ton more lowers than there are LPKs. Also there is a chance that initially the prices for AR stuff will go through the roof. Once some of us start to die off the prices will go down. But initially demand will still be pretty high.
The more I think of it, however, the more I think they will end up confiscating them. That’s what NZ did. If they’re doing this to create an election issue or pander to their voter base then confiscation actually makes more sense.
That happens with 12-3 M-14s, the US parts going onto a commercial non-restricted receiver.
Can't see the point, though, in buying parts to assemble a rifle on a prohibited receiver - unless the prohibition is akin to 12-6, with range privileges.
Can't see the point, though, in buying parts to assemble a rifle on a prohibited receiver - unless the prohibition is akin to 12-6, with range privileges.
thatmikeguy
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Yet 80% lowers are deemed to be a firearms.
No,
Would it be beneficial to separately buy an upper and lower so you have a complete gun but only a registered lower?
Here’s my take on it.
Once you have a lower, it’s registered as a lower.
Once you complete the build , they want the caliber and barrel length.
So if there’s a ban, I don’t think there’ll be any more registering of AR15s.
So, what I would do, is register your lower, once you get it ,as complete rifle.
You just need to make sure you get the correct barrel length.
There’s nothing saying you can’t have a complete rifle and then strip it back down,and sell the parts. If anybody asks. Understand?
thatmikeguy
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Got it. Silly rules.
This is an interesting question. I am still not 100% convinced they will ban but they are a bunch of really stupid people so they could be capable of it. Nevertheless, one would think that after the ban they would not let you to finish it and register it as a complete rifle but AR platform looks like a bit of bureacratic quagmire due to lower being the actual serialized firearm but not really because it is not complete so I would assume it could get lost in the OIC ban language and as such no instructions for CFO's how to treat that particular situation.
My take on it is the lower is the firearm. it has the att attached to it . The law states you have 30 days to report any changes that make it say complete and capable of discharging ammunition . so really the only mod to do that is attaching a upper. So as far as a ban or moving to prohib imo a lower is just fine.
The fact is that there is a difference between frame-only registration certificates and registration certificates for fully assembled firearms. They've chosen to differentiate between the two... Currently both are restricted. If the AR goes prohib they could choose to grandfather only those with completed firearms as of a certain date (and issue those people with updated prohibited reg certs). Anyone who called after that date asking to update their registration certificate to a fully functional firearm could be told they have assembled a prohibited firearm without the appropriate license condition and it must be surrendered within 30 days.
Not saying I believe that will be the case, but it is a way to deal with it. The fact that this is being rushed as a political stunt leads me to believe it will not be well planned and they will likely do whatever is easiest. They could choose to grandfather those with either type of reg cert. Hell, they could choose to revoke all reg certs! Who knows.
I wish the world were as simple as you see it... If they are choosing to make an election issue of this, they've spent tens of thousands of dollars on lawyers and subject matter experts. Nobody here is telling them anything they don't already know, genius. In fact if it's being announced in the time frame that has been suggested, the OIC is already written.
wrenchbender4
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Ok so what if someone buys a lower, phones in and says I built a finished rifle in x cal. Waits a bit calls in , sold the upper. Does the lower stay listed as a complete rifle. Even if one was to buy a cheap garbage upper, register it and sell/give the upper to someone else as so on and so on. A way to make compleat rifles on the cheap. I have NR no ar type rifles and have had no want for an ar15 but would be willing to do something like this to help that cause.
The lower shouldn't stay registered as a fully functional firearm. You need to notify them within 30 days of a permanent change to the barrel length or caliber...
Also I don't really know what that would accomplish. Upper receivers are not actually registered, they are uncontrolled (not a firearm). Anyone can own an AR-15 upper receiver. When you are calling the CFP saying your rifle is built it's not because you are registering the upper... it's because your firearm (the lower receiver) now has a barrel length, a caliber and can discharge ammunition. You aren't registering an upper, just updating the registration for the lower. Hope that makes sense. What you are suggesting can easily be accomplished by people simply lying (ie: my build is complete it's got a 14.5" barrel and is 5.56mm, but haven't even bought the parts yet). For this reason, expect to have to involve a firearms verifier if they do become prohibited.
