Bushmaster ACR reclassification

CallMeNightHawk

New member
EE Expired
Rating - 0%
0   0   0
Hey all! Thinking about purchasing a bushmaster ACR however most dealers seem to be selling the 16.5 (restricted) barreled model. Being an ACR a quick barrel swap to an 18.5 is easy however the gun would be registered as restricted. How difficult is it to have the gun reclassified once a swap to the 18.5in barrel is made? And what is the process involved?

Thanks in advance
 
Buy new barrel
Take to local verifier (sometimes local gunsmith)
Verifiers cannot charge for this service, however gun smiths can...
Paperwork gets filed, wait 1-8 weeks
Non restricted

Ps. That’s a very misleading title
 
Last edited:
Hey all! Thinking about purchasing a bushmaster ACR however most dealers seem to be selling the 16.5 (restricted) barreled model. Being an ACR a quick barrel swap to an 18.5 is easy however the gun would be registered as restricted. How difficult is it to have the gun reclassified once a swap to the 18.5in barrel is made? And what is the process involved?

Thanks in advance

As soon as you put the 18.5" barrel on its NonRestricted and there is no longer any requirement to do anything in relation to a certificate.

The only reason to notify the CFP is to help them clean up their database and have them cancel the certificate. The certificate itself indicates a requirement to report, but that requirement is in relation to a firearm that no longer exists and is meaningless.

So ask yourself if it is worth the bother to call the CFP and suffer some ass pain trying to help them unregister a gun that doesnt exist? Some people will say yes for their own piece of mind. Not this guy.

There is no offence for having a certificate issued against your license for firearms that don't exist, and you cant be charged for NOT possessing a non existent firearm.
 
As soon as you put the 18.5" barrel on its NonRestricted and there is no longer any requirement to do anything in relation to a certificate.

The only reason to notify the CFP is to help them clean up their database and have them cancel the certificate. The certificate itself indicates a requirement to report, but that requirement is in relation to a firearm that no longer exists and is meaningless.

So ask yourself if it is worth the bother to call the CFP and suffer some ass pain trying to help them unregister a gun that doesnt exist? Some people will say yes for their own piece of mind. Not this guy.

There is no offence for having a certificate issued against your license for firearms that don't exist, and you cant be charged for NOT possessing a non existent firearm.

Other than in the event of a confiscation scenario, if you have a firearm registered to you and you can not produce it within the time frame the rcmp give you, there will be a problem.
 
RDSC did mine. They generally carry the rifles and the spare barrels. They did the verification paperwork and I just had to submit it on my end.
 
As soon as you put the 18.5" barrel on its NonRestricted and there is no longer any requirement to do anything in relation to a certificate.

The only reason to notify the CFP is to help them clean up their database and have them cancel the certificate. The certificate itself indicates a requirement to report, but that requirement is in relation to a firearm that no longer exists and is meaningless.

So ask yourself if it is worth the bother to call the CFP and suffer some ass pain trying to help them unregister a gun that doesnt exist? Some people will say yes for their own piece of mind. Not this guy.

There is no offence for having a certificate issued against your license for firearms that don't exist, and you cant be charged for NOT possessing a non existent firearm.

Wrong.
You have a restricted rifle registered in your name. You can't just put an 18.5 inch barrel on and call it a day and pretend it never existed.
You also can not just put on an 18.5 inch barrel and then go shoot it away from a certified range. Until it has been reclassified and removed from the registry it is still a restricted firearm. The 30 day grace period is in place to do take it to a certified verifier or gunsmith to get the inspection and paperwork done and not as a open window to do what you want then change it back before the 30 days is up.

You must have the rifle removed from the database or as Brian states, when they come to take it away and you can't produce it you're going to have a long day in a cell answering questions about where it is and who you sold it to.

If you sell it you will also be in violation of selling a restricted firearm illegally if you sell it with no transfer to someone claiming it's non restricted. You are putting yourself and the buyer in a bad spot legally. What is the new owner supposed to say to the RCMP if he gets stopped and they run the serial number and it comes up as restricted? Now he's in crap for using his rifle away from a range and you're probably going to lose your PAL for selling firearms illegally.

That rifle does still exist and just because you physically changed it to fit the non restricted criteria does not make it non restricted.

Be careful who you listen to on this site, I've read people post similar comments to yours and they were wrong as well. The rifle is a registered restricted firearm until the paperwork has been finished reclassifying it and removing it from the registry.
I emailed back and forth with the firearms lab about this when I first got my ACR as I wanted to have a non restricted rifle that I could also throw a short barrel into when I was at the range and the answers I got led me to sell my 12 inch barrel as it would have been such a pain in the ass to do it legally it wasn't worth the trouble.
 
Last edited:
..I emailed back and forth with the firearms lab about this when I first got my ACR as I wanted to have a non restricted rifle that I could also throw a short barrel into when I was at the range and the answers I got led me to sell my 12 inch barrel as it would have been such a pain in the ass to do it legally it wasn't worth the trouble.

Could you elaborate on this?

...self censored...
 
Last edited:
Could you elaborate on this?

So if you have a NR with 18.6 barrel. you come to the range, you change the barrel to 12, shoot, and then change it back to 18.6.

Rifle never leaves the range, why is it a crime?

If the semi auto rifle with the 18.6 inch barrel has been moved to NR from R, the previous R registration certificate is invalid and therefore while you are shooting it at the range with the 12 inch barrel, you now have a restricted firearm without the proper registration.

muy muy malo
 
Could you elaborate on this?

So if you have a NR with 18.6 barrel. you come to the range, you change the barrel to 12, shoot, and then change it back to 18.6.

Rifle never leaves the range, why is it a crime?

Because as soon as you install the restricted length barrel you are in possession of a non registered restricted firearm.
People like to say that you have a 30 day grace period you can use but I was told by the lab that during the 30 day period the rifle can not be fired and is only to be transported to a verifier or gunsmith.

Like most things firearms related in Canada the rules and laws make no sense and trying to make sense of them will only make you more confused.
You aren't breaking any laws other than possession of an unregistered restricted firearm, which is probably a pretty serious charge when you go to court to try to explain.

Even if Cameron was right (he's not) and you got stopped and charged, went to court to fight it and won the court battle you're still screwed for a couple years of your life while you spend thousands of dollars on lawyers, numerous days off work to go to court, and potentially having to fight to get your firearms back at the end of it all.

They could also confiscate all your firearms and suspend your PAL until the court case is finished.
 
Last edited:
If the semi auto rifle with the 18.6 inch barrel has been moved to NR from R, the previous R registration certificate is invalid and therefore while you are shooting it at the range with the 12 inch barrel, you now have a restricted firearm without the proper registration.

muy muy malo

....self censored...

libs did not know about quick change barrels in the 90s, otherwise short barrel would've been registered too LOL.
 
Last edited:
If it's a range without range officers and CCTV, there is nobody there to witness the heinous crime of rifle going to unregistered R for a couple of hours. Besides shooter stopping being "law-abiding" for a bit.

libs did not know about quick change barrels in the 90s, otherwise short barrel would've been registered too LOL.

Well if we are talking about ignoring the current stupid laws, sure then do whatever you want.
 
Other than in the event of a confiscation scenario, if you have a firearm registered to you and you can not produce it within the time frame the rcmp give you, there will be a problem.

How would they know? They can't ask for a reg cert since it's non-restricted.

If they stop you and spot it, you produce the gun and it has the 18.5+ barrel, they would assume it's non-restricted. The cops would actually have to query [a system] to see that/if the serial was actually from a restricted gun...

I'm not asking to sh*t-disturb, im just curious as to how (or why) they'd ask for a certificate for an NR firearm.
 
If they search the serial to check if it’s stolen, they would see it’s registered as restricted.

There are several reasons someone could search a serial.

CFO can inspect your collection with 24 hours notice. They print a list of your restricted firearms and come to your house to confirm you have them and they are stored properly. If you sold it as non restricted... do not pass go... do not collect $200...
 
How would they know? They can't ask for a reg cert since it's non-restricted.

If they stop you and spot it, you produce the gun and it has the 18.5+ barrel, they would assume it's non-restricted. The cops would actually have to query [a system] to see that/if the serial was actually from a restricted gun...

I'm not asking to sh*t-disturb, im just curious as to how (or why) they'd ask for a certificate for an NR firearm.

Why wouldn't they run a query if they are unsure? There are restricted versions of the rifle and they are rarely in a hurry to go somewhere else.
My experience so far with officers is that most know very little about firearms other than the one they carry. There are always the ones that know their schitt but on average most don't care enough to know. If you get one who doesn't know much they won't know until they run it through the system, at which point you're screwed.

If it's a range without range officers and CCTV, there is nobody there to witness the heinous crime of rifle going to unregistered R for a couple of hours. Besides shooter stopping being "law-abiding" for a bit.

libs did not know about quick change barrels in the 90s, otherwise short barrel would've been registered too LOL.

You're right, nothing is illegal unless/until you get caught. We're talking about the legality of it though which is outside the realm of do what you want and hope you don't get caught.
I agree though, doing it is not putting anyone at risk and is really insignificant in the big picture. The problem is that law abiding gun owners are easy targets since we like to hang out at gun ranges and chatting on public forums about our crimes, real criminals are sneaky.

We are living in a very bad time to be pushing the limits and risking putting another black eye on our sport. We've always had the argument that law abiding gun owners are not the problem and harassing us does nothing to reduce crime. A few instances of legal gun owners ignoring the laws and doing things that are illegal (on paper anyway) will take that argument away from us making it easier for the gov to make more laws further restricting our access to firearms.


If they search the serial to check if it’s stolen, they would see it’s registered as restricted.

There are several reasons someone could search a serial.

CFO can inspect your collection with 24 hours notice. They print a list of your restricted firearms and come to your house to confirm you have them and they are stored properly. If you sold it as non restricted... do not pass go... do not collect $200...

Exactly.
 
Last edited:
How would they know? They can't ask for a reg cert since it's non-restricted.

If they stop you and spot it, you produce the gun and it has the 18.5+ barrel, they would assume it's non-restricted. The cops would actually have to query [a system] to see that/if the serial was actually from a restricted gun...

I'm not asking to sh*t-disturb, im just curious as to how (or why) they'd ask for a certificate for an NR firearm.

Because in a confiscation scenario, they are going to show up at your dwelling with a list of all the firearms registered to you, failure to produce any of them will land you in jail.
 
Back
Top Bottom