Honest thoughts 22-250 vs 6.5 creedmoor on yotes

Redneck107 said:
This thread seriously did and did not go the way I thought it was... might just have to put the build on the back burner after this one.
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Shoot what you got cause if you do your part the bullet is going to do its part.
Be it the 22 Hornet , the 22-250, the 6.5 Creedmore or the 375 Ruger and yes, I just upchucked in my mouth after typing it.
Cause in the end the critter is going to die if you have done your part.
I think Buckmstr put into perspective the best when he says "But if the cartridge could possibly be a better fit for the application than a creedmoor, it's still not as effective as trapping. So it's outdated."
Rob
 
Buckmastr said:
This thread is another classic example of any comparison to the Creedmoor.
The fan boys show up with ballistic comparisons, Walmart, twist rates, 1000 yrds shots, socom etc. Rather than actual experience or common sense practicality. Brainwashed by the marketing.
But if the cartridge could possibly be a better fit for the application than a creedmoor, it's still not as effective as trapping. So it's outdated.
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Why do you continue to feel that it is your god given responsibility to tell others how and with what they hunt?
 
I’ll nevet forget what a 204 does when you whack a decent sized predator right between the eye balls close range. Lol yikes. I saw them eye balls fly out in my scope view hahahahaha
 
Todbartell exactly, I was asking what was more effective in dispatching the critter in question. Any fur I end up with good or bad will be for my own collection. I am most certainly not talented enough of a tanner to sell. Our main concern out here is protecting our family, neighbours and investment in our live stock from predators and not much more. And I would like to thank the individuals that put in pertinent information into this thread.
 
Buckmastr said:
This thread is another classic example of any comparison to the Creedmoor.
The fan boys show up with ballistic comparisons, Walmart, twist rates, 1000 yrds shots, socom etc. Rather than actual experience or common sense practicality. Brainwashed by the marketing.
But if the cartridge could possibly be a better fit for the application than a creedmoor, it's still not as effective as trapping. So it's outdated.
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I agree with most of this, the 6.5cm marketing has brainwashed a lot of folks.
The caliber is not new, the balistics are not new, yet somehow it outperforms every other cartridge on the planet lol.
There is no doubt the 6.5cal's are good on medium sized game, 120 years of 6.5x55 as evidence. Same with target shooting, Scandinavians have been target shooting with it for almost 100 years. So nothing new about the hunting/target capabilities of the caliber.
The guy that is claiming 3000fps with 147gr pills out of it (which exceeds 264 Win Mag velocity loadings) claiming no pressure signs is one of the brainwashed, 3000fps IS YOUR PRESSURE SIGN.
So here's my 5 cents on the marketing hype myths and true benefits of the cartridge case, as there is nothing wrong with the caliber itself...
Myths.
30 degree shoulder does not contribute anything to accuracy, it extends case life by reducing case stretch if you are FL sizing every time.
If the "it fits in a shorter/stronger short action rifle" is truly a benefit, why is everyone buying Tikka's for target shooting/hunting? Look at the long range and hunting forum if there are any doubts about that.
Fits in AICS mags....AICS also make long action mags, so I'm confused there?
It's not some new magical inherent accuracy cartridge case, it's all been done before.

Truths.
Lots of factory target ammo if you don't reload. Probably more options then factory 308 even at this point.
Fits in AR10 platforms a bit better with long VLD's then the 260Rem, but may not feed as well due to the sharper shoulder.
A new target shooter can get off the shelf guns and ammo that they will be impressed with accuracy wise, which is good for business and good for numbers.

That's about it really.
 
Redneck107 said:
Todbartell exactly, I was asking what was more effective in dispatching the critter in question. Any fur I end up with good or bad will be for my own collection. I am most certainly not talented enough of a tanner to sell. Our main concern out here is protecting our family, neighbours and investment in our live stock from predators and not much more. And I would like to thank the individuals that put in pertinent information into this thread.
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Then given those parameters, shoot a .270 WSM or .257 Wby.
 
Hitzy said:
I agree with most of this, the 6.5cm marketing has brainwashed a lot of folks.
The caliber is not new, the balistics are not new, yet somehow it outperforms every other cartridge on the planet lol.
There is no doubt the 6.5cal's are good on medium sized game, 120 years of 6.5x55 as evidence. Same with target shooting, Scandinavians have been target shooting with it for almost 100 years. So nothing new about the hunting/target capabilities of the caliber.
The guy that is claiming 3000fps with 147gr pills out of it (which exceeds 264 Win Mag velocity loadings) claiming no pressure signs is one of the brainwashed, 3000fps IS YOUR PRESSURE SIGN.
So here's my 5 cents on the marketing hype myths and true benefits of the cartridge case, as there is nothing wrong with the caliber itself...
Myths.
30 degree shoulder does not contribute anything to accuracy, it extends case life by reducing case stretch if you are FL sizing every time.
If the "it fits in a shorter/stronger short action rifle" is truly a benefit, why is everyone buying Tikka's for target shooting/hunting? Look at the long range and hunting forum if there are any doubts about that.
Fits in AICS mags....AICS also make long action mags, so I'm confused there?
It's not some new magical inherent accuracy cartridge case, it's all been done before.

Truths.
Lots of factory target ammo if you don't reload. Probably more options then factory 308 even at this point.
Fits in AR10 platforms a bit better with long VLD's then the 260Rem, but may not feed as well due to the sharper shoulder.
A new target shooter can get off the shelf guns and ammo that they will be impressed with accuracy wise, which is good for business and good for numbers.

That's about it really.
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For sure. And never let facts interfere with a good debate.
 
bearkilr said:
This. My 257 Wby with 85 gr Nosler BT @3800 fps is 1.5" high at 100 yds, zeroed @250 and 2.5" low at 400 yds. No messing with ranging or turrets. Most people can't consistently hit a coyote further than that anyhow, regardless of what you're shooting.
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That is a perfect coyote rig for those not concerned about hides... but I imagine the damage at 400 yards is not awful?
 
chuck nelson said:
If you want flat. I’ve shot plenty of coyotes with 55 gr BT’s at 4K in the 243 and 243 AI.
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I never shot anything with those yet, but worked up a load to those velocities, I can confirm the accuracy is outstanding at 200m which is as far as I've played with them.

Ever use any of the light frangible pills? I always wondered how they would work on small stuff.
 
bearkilr said:
This. My 257 Wby with 85 gr Nosler BT @3800 fps is 1.5" high at 100 yds, zeroed @250 and 2.5" low at 400 yds. No messing with ranging or turrets. Most people can't consistently hit a coyote further than that anyhow, regardless of what you're shooting.
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must be the magical blue pill , defies gravity
 
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