Hunting question

Mayday_

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Say you bought a cottage 2 years ago that has crown land behind it that. You find a group of guys that has been gun hunting deer back there for 30 years and they welcome you and your brother who are new to hunting to hunt with them. The first season you hunt with them and all goes well. The second season your brother buys a bow and wants to bow hunt back there.
Do you let him?
 
9.3mauser said:
How can you stop him? Crown land, he can do whatever he wants.
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I'm guessing the OP could stop him by saying "no, you can't use my cottage as a hunt camp in archery season because you might damage my relationship with the guys that I want to hunt with in rifle season". You know, those guys that took him under their wing and showed them the travel routes and good places to watch or do pushes? Yeah, its crown land but at a minimum I would be contacting the hunters that helped you out in getting started and just give them a heads up that bro is interested in archery season. You don't have to ask permission just feel them out that there's no hard feelings afterward.
 
Londonshooter said:
I'm guessing the OP could stop him by saying "no, you can't use my cottage as a hunt camp in archery season because you might damage my relationship with the guys that I want to hunt with in rifle season". You know, those guys that took him under their wing and showed them the travel routes and good places to watch or do pushes? Yeah, its crown land but at a minimum I would be contacting the hunters that helped you out in getting started and just give them a heads up that bro is interested in archery season. You don't have to ask permission just feel them out that there's no hard feelings afterward.
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Agreed...
 
What if he doesn't ask those guys their opinion and just straight up tells his brother you can't hunt back there?
Says "it's completely selfish to want to go to a hunting spot two weeks before gun season and try to get a deer. That spot is where my group goes and you want to go poach a deer early"

Basically saying that all bow hunters are selfish and poachers
 
So is it selfish for the bow hunter to want to hunt there or selfish of the brother to not let his own brother hunt there?
If you were the cottage owner what would you do if it was your brother who wanted to bow hunt there?
 
Since its crown land, you cant really do much from a legal standpoint

But what can and should be done, as Londonshooter pointed out, is having a civil conversation as grown men about what the drawbacks are of moving forward with a bow hunt, and how that impacts the people and relationships built with the people who welcomed you into their group. While it may be a difficult conversation to have, I think it is more difficult to find people or hunt groups that are welcoming to strangers. Those who are often times can become good friends or also open up many other doors or hunting opportunities that you never thought possible. When I was very young, I was taught that a handshake held both meaning and responsibility. Didn't exactly understand what that meant when I was a kid....but now that I do understand it as an adult, I am grateful it was a lesson I was taught. To me, this situation is a good example of when to refer to that lesson
 
1963beretta said:
Since its crown land, you cant really do much from a legal standpoint

But what can and should be done, as Londonshooter pointed out, is having a civil conversation as grown men about what the drawbacks are of moving forward with a bow hunt, and how that impacts the people and relationships built with the people who welcomed you into their group. It is difficult to find people or hunt groups that are welcoming to strangers. Those who are often times can open up many other doors or hunting opportunities that you never thought possible. When I was very young, I was taught that a handshake held both meaning and responsibility. Didn't understand exactly what that meant when i was a kid....but now that I do understand it as an adult, I am grateful it was a lesson I was taught. To me, This situation is a good example of when to refer to that lesson
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As they say, Blood is thicker than Water. He's family. :)

Grizz
 
Mayday_ said:
What if he doesn't ask those guys their opinion and just straight up tells his brother you can't hunt back there?
Says "it's completely selfish to want to go to a hunting spot two weeks before gun season and try to get a deer. That spot is where my group goes and you want to go poach a deer early"

Basically saying that all bow hunters are selfish and poachers
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Please explain how it’s “poaching” lol.

I’d give the other guys a heads up that he’s heading out bow hunting as a courtesy heads up, it is crown land though and regardless of how long they’ve been hunting there they don’t own the spot. It’s free to use for all, you might be burning bridges with the original group that welcomed you in. So be prepared for that event, they might not appreciate it.
 
Another thing.....Do the regs in that WMU allow bow hunting during the gun season? I’m curious to know why the brother decided to hunt with a bow? If its because he believes in fair chase or wishes for the additional challenge...then thats great. Or is it so that he could get a two week head start on the gun hunters who welcomed him into their group a year earlier? If the intention comes from the two week advantage, then I think the intent speaks volumes of the character and I wouldn't want that type of character in my hunt group moving forward. Family or friend.
 
1963beretta said:
Another thing.....Do the regs in that WMU allow bow hunting during the gun season? I’m curious to know why the brother decided to hunt with a bow? If its because he believes in fair chase or wishes for the additional challenge...then thats great. Or is it so that he could get a two week head start on the gun hunters who welcomed him into their group a year earlier? If the intention comes from the two week advantage, then I think the intent speaks volumes of the character and I wouldn't want that type of character in my hunt group moving forward. Family or friend.
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Fair chase, additional challenge, lives in a WMU that only allows bows, longer hunting season
 
Mayday_ said:
The bow hunters the ####?
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Where I come from, yes. If those guys showed him where and how to hunt that spot then don’t go without them.
If he contacts them and they say it’s cool, then go for it.

I get that it’s crown land and all that, but burned bridges are not easily repaired.
 
You don’t know if you have a problem. Tell the guys what your brother wants to do, take their temperature over it and figure out a game plan afterwards. If they are cool with it, no problem, if they have concerns, find out what they are and see if all parties can come to a satisfactory resolution. Your brother needs to understand that Crown land or not, some guys have been hunting those same spots for decades and don’t want to share, considering they’ve been more than generous with the two of you, I’d extend the same courtesy and see how they feel about your brothers plan.

Patrick
 
I think communication is key here...not just with the brother, but with all parties affected. Burning bridges in this community doesn't get you far and has a habit of costing you more than just money. I know my sympathy wouldn’t side with the hunter who already has a longer hunting season.
 
Threads like this one are a good reminder that there are some good, like minded folks on these boards. Definitely a welcome change to the bickering and name calling we see on so many other threads.
 
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