Hunting question

I would maybe bring it up in conversation around the campfire with you hunting party. Something like hey has anyone here ever hunted this spot in archery season? Would you guys be interested in giving it a try? You never know you may just lengthen everyone's season.
 
Keep in mind that the kind of deer hunting that is done is pushing the bush with whistles, yelling and banging sticks to push the deer towards the shooters.#
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If this is how they hunt...i would have no issue letting my brother hunt bow on public land. A pushed hunt is not everybody's cup of tea. I see why they asked you guys to join, this type of hinting requires a good number of people.

But I agree, you at least tell them of your intentions
 
Mayday_ said:
So is it selfish for the bow hunter to want to hunt there or selfish of the brother to not let his own brother hunt there?
If you were the cottage owner what would you do if it was your brother who wanted to bow hunt there?
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I'm not a bow hunter but I would never begrudge anybody that wanted to spend more time in the bush. If he gets a deer, good for him. There's plenty to go around. Bow hunting is generally low-impact and unobtrusive, so I can't see it disturbing the area or depriving anybody else of opportunities.
 
9.3mauser said:
I'm not a bow hunter but I would never begrudge anybody that wanted to spend more time in the bush. If he gets a deer, good for him. There's plenty to go around. Bow hunting is generally low-impact and unobtrusive, so I can't see it disturbing the area or depriving anybody else of opportunities.
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That's how I see it.
 
Another option is to allow him to bow hunt after the gun season.
I hunt both with archery and muzzleloader. Some woodlots i hunt with bows because the landowner allows others on for the controlled hunts. Its never effected my archery hunts and i highly doubt ive ever effected their controlled hunt
 
Mayday_ said:
Say you bought a cottage 2 years ago that has crown land behind it that. You find a group of guys that has been gun hunting deer back there for 30 years and they welcome you and your brother who are new to hunting to hunt with them. The first season you hunt with them and all goes well. The second season your brother buys a bow and wants to bow hunt back there.
Do you let him?
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I'd run it by them,but,really,it's crown land and he can do what he wants,so,you really don't have to. I wouldn't think the fact that someone wants to bow hunt before or after the gun season would be an issue. I wouldn't have an issue with your brother using the cabin,either.
 
There is no absolute right or wrong with this scenario but to be tactful and mindful of the new group of hunters that have welcomed you into their group, a discussion about bow hunting during the gun hunt with the plan of late season bow hunt to fill unused tags. Good luck with it.
 
Just out of common courtesy I would bowhunt after the gun season if the group took your family in. If the Crown land is big enough you can always bowhunt a different part of the land before the gun season that is away from the cottage.
 
This discussion is pretty slippery slope - as if somehow "30 years of hunting there" gives the "good old boys" some sort of ownership to the crown land in question. Only out in the bush - i.e. under the rule of "might is right"! No legal basis for that at all! If they bought or leased it, that is entirely different. I have run into this in various places in Western Canada where some old dudes think they have preferential "rights" to an area because he has been here before - nuts!
 
Well - In Ontario, some hunt camps are on leased Crown land (99 year lease?). Although I don't think the lease gives exclusive right to hunting the land, people can get pretty snarky when "highwaymen" invade the property. The current crowd was nice enough to invite you to join their hunts - the expressed goodwill cannot be overstated here. You benefit from their knowledge, experience and numbers (if dogging is involved).
You should reciprocate the goodwill by discussing the bowhunting matter. As a minimum, they themselves may be bowhunting as well...
 
Mayday_ said:
So is it selfish for the bow hunter to want to hunt there or selfish of the brother to not let his own brother hunt there?
If you were the cottage owner what would you do if it was your brother who wanted to bow hunt there?
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I would tell him pre gun season, no, after rifle through to Dec 31 - have at er
 
cosmic said:
Well - In Ontario, some hunt camps are on leased Crown land (99 year lease?). Although I don't think the lease gives exclusive right to hunting the land, people can get pretty snarky when "highwaymen" invade the property. The current crowd was nice enough to invite you to join their hunts - the expressed goodwill cannot be overstated here. You benefit from their knowledge, experience and numbers (if dogging is involved).
You should reciprocate the goodwill by discussing the bowhunting matter. As a minimum, they themselves may be bowhunting as well...
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Not something I am familiar with at all, having hunted in Saskatchewan mostly, on both Crown and private land. How does a hunting lease work in Ontario? A hunt camp leases a couple quarters or sections of crown land for hunting, or do they lease one or two acres for a campsite?
 
I'd chat with the group - not to ask permission but more to take the temperature. One guy bowhunting a couple of weeks ahead of rifle season really shouldn't impact their results at all. A week of deer drives will very likely have a negative impact on the bowhunter coming in after them.
 
Potashminer said:
Not something I am familiar with at all, having hunted in Saskatchewan mostly, on both Crown and private land. How does a hunting lease work in Ontario? A hunt camp leases a couple quarters or sections of crown land for hunting, or do they lease one or two acres for a campsite?
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I think the lease is to be able to build a camp/cottage/building
 
nobody dictates to me when and where I can hunt on crown land except the regulations.
If I were the bow hunting brother I'd be pretty offended if my own brother barred me from hunting crown land that had an open season just because he wanted to save face with the locals LOL

seems like people want to go out of their way to make hunting complicated and add a little facebook-mentality drama in the mix along with it.

are deer in the area so few that a bow hunter being successful is going to ruin the entire season for everyone else? seems a stupid question to me.
My favorite spot for mature black tails is hunted by other people when I'm not there. I see the wear on the trail from human feet so know they have been in there. Yet year after year I go to my spot the exact same time frame, without fail..... and I never come home empty handed. I slip in during the week , avoiding the locals who no doubt have figured me out long ago and know my spot but can only hunt the weekends.

I say let the bow hunter have at it. If the other hunters are worth their salt as deer hunters , his success will most certainly not hinder thiers. If they are bothered by it, maybe there is a monster buck they are waiting to gun that has been frequenting thier spot. So I don't think it would be impolite to "suggest" to the bow hunter to not take the area's prize buck 2 weeks ahead of the gun season but that's about it. Denying him access to crown land in an open season simply doesn't fly with me.
 
how big is the crown land?

if bow hunter says "ill be in the bush but at opposite end and in places we never hunt as a group" it may decrease the heat a bit.

that way you are hunting a different herd
 
Myself I would let my brother bow hunt, it is crown land and why not! The last few years I have been bow hunting on a friend 40 acre place. Unless I see deer not a sound is made. My friend family comes first.
 
1963beretta said:
Since its crown land, you cant really do much from a legal standpoint

But what can and should be done, as Londonshooter pointed out, is having a civil conversation as grown men about what the drawbacks are of moving forward with a bow hunt, and how that impacts the people and relationships built with the people who welcomed you into their group. While it may be a difficult conversation to have, I think it is more difficult to find people or hunt groups that are welcoming to strangers. Those who are often times can become good friends or also open up many other doors or hunting opportunities that you never thought possible. When I was very young, I was taught that a handshake held both meaning and responsibility. Didn't exactly understand what that meant when I was a kid....but now that I do understand it as an adult, I am grateful it was a lesson I was taught. To me, this situation is a good example of when to refer to that lesson
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^this 100%. Yes, no legality issues whatsoever...but the quickest way to "poison the well" with a new groups of buddies is to give them any reason to think you're betraying the trust they put in you. Buddies who didn't HAVE to let you on their hunt. Let's not forget, crown land is crown land...there are good spots and not so good ones. If the "brother" wants to go explore new spots solo, I'd say go fill your boots. If using intel (shared in the spirit of this agreement) to get in ahead of these gun hunters who shared it...and presumably impact THEIR hunt~that makes you a bit of a gear box. Could ruin the OP's future opportunities with this group as well.

If IN these 2 years, the OP REALLY feels like he knows these guys...then perhaps he ought to suggest they all go for a pint and bring-up the subject then. That's what I'd probably do, assuming the archer/brother wasn't the guy who struck-up the relationship in the first place.
 
holzmeister said:
Myself I would let my brother bow hunt, it is crown land and why not! The last few years I have been bow hunting on a friend 40 acre place. Unless I see deer not a sound is made. My friend family comes first.
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I totally agree with all of that, except, playing it cool with new guys who didn't have to "let you in" will probably result in better hunting (& fishing) opportunities for everybody. Screw them over (or appear to) and things may get chilly quick. There is a little nuance to relationships, and sometimes allot among hunters/anglers. You won't find that in the regs, so always ask yourself; "just because I can, does it mean I should?"
 
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