IPSC Canada Nationals - Quebec
- Thread starter Trinimon
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She did got top Lady. But can't be a Canadian champion if she is not living in Canada. Next Lady was 13% down from her.
But unlike regular competitors, most of the top guest shooters shot a pre-match in one day and didn't have to work a full day like the rest of us. I don't think that was fair to the regular shooters who paid for that match to happen.
But unlike regular competitors, most of the top guest shooters shot a pre-match in one day and didn't have to work a full day like the rest of us. I don't think that was fair to the regular shooters who paid for that match to happen.
As per rule book the pre-match should be dedicated for ROs and sponsors only. I doubt those guest top shooters paid for the match and I haven't seen a "pay extra option" offered to the regular competitors.
The title is "Canadian National Champion"...it's hard to claim that title if you're not Canadian. It's not as though it's a new concept, many USPSA Area matches have an "Area Champion" trophy, which doesn't go to out of Area residents. I'm sure Jessie, KC and Chris have all been in this situation and are quite happy with "High Overall". I wasn't there, so I don't know who the sponsors are, but generally aren't those top people generally showing up as part of a sponsor package?
As for the Canadian Runner up winning the title, but not the match winner trophy...The jewelry just says "National Champion" whether you were 1st, 2nd or 3rd. When you look at that ring/pendant, those words are all that count. The trophy is just another hunk of wood/metal/crystal stuffed into a back room.
World Shoot makes exceptions for their "Patrons". I'll be honest, I haven't looked up the rulebook to see how those are written up with regard to prematch/main match, but the precedent for a pay more and get preferential treatment does exist. IIRC, patrons get a single slot for the main match, or 2 slots for the prematch.
Another way to look at things....paying the higher match fee could also constitute a level of sponsorship and earn a spot in the prematch. It should probably be written up as such in the match application though.
As for the Canadian Runner up winning the title, but not the match winner trophy...The jewelry just says "National Champion" whether you were 1st, 2nd or 3rd. When you look at that ring/pendant, those words are all that count. The trophy is just another hunk of wood/metal/crystal stuffed into a back room.
World Shoot makes exceptions for their "Patrons". I'll be honest, I haven't looked up the rulebook to see how those are written up with regard to prematch/main match, but the precedent for a pay more and get preferential treatment does exist. IIRC, patrons get a single slot for the main match, or 2 slots for the prematch.
Another way to look at things....paying the higher match fee could also constitute a level of sponsorship and earn a spot in the prematch. It should probably be written up as such in the match application though.
- Location
- Halifax - NS
The prematch had a rain delay due to a nasty storm coming through.
Around 4:30 the skies went black, wind had the rain coming down sideways.
Signs where blowing over, tents were flooding.
As Jim put it at the banquet - it was where we got to find out if you'd get electrocuted in a shipping container in a lightening storm.
(everyone was OK)
That plus all 16 stages in the same day - anyone who beat others while shooting the prematch deserved any accolades they got.
Around 4:30 the skies went black, wind had the rain coming down sideways.
Signs where blowing over, tents were flooding.
As Jim put it at the banquet - it was where we got to find out if you'd get electrocuted in a shipping container in a lightening storm.
(everyone was OK)
That plus all 16 stages in the same day - anyone who beat others while shooting the prematch deserved any accolades they got.
If the match is built well and the weather co-operates, shooting 16 stages in a day is easy. I've experienced the best, the worst and the completely insane in terms of this. On the best, with limited squads the pre-shoot for 15 stages took us 4 hours. The worst, the whole day (~10 hours) and the insane was the pre-shoot day and then squeeze in where you can throughout the match to finish up the stages.
Adding a 2 day preshoot adds 1 more day onto the volunteer time most RO's are putting in. IMO this would suck.
Adding a 2 day preshoot adds 1 more day onto the volunteer time most RO's are putting in. IMO this would suck.
I worked the pre-shoot as an RO and it was a long LONG day. Mostly the 5 squads were made up of CRO's who would be supervising one of the stages over the next 4 days and and range officials who would be working the rest of Nationals. I think it's actually a disadvantage to shoot the prematch. It's a very tiring day, we didn't finish until after 8pm, and the shoot squad is required to tape and reset the stages.
Not sure about Jessie, but Hwansik and the CZ team shot the regular match.
LVL 3 matches shot in one day is a common practice in Ontario where you'll shoot 14+ stages from morning to afternoon. Is it a long day sure but very doable for people of all physical conditions. Would I prefer to do that then stretch a match out over 4 days, ABSOLUTELY!
I saw that CZ team worked and kudos to them for that! Not sure if Hwansik, Frangoulis and Tilley worked at all.
Don't see how is that a disadvantage to shoot 16 stages at once and don't have to work, comparing to shooting half day, working a full day (had to get up before 6am to make to the range in time) and then shooting another half day.
- Location
- Halifax - NS
The nationals is 2 half days - not 4 days. There's a day of work and you get a day off. 4 days are necessary to put everyone through the match.
They did. Hwansik and Alex B patched my targets that I shot on stage 15.
The shooters I RO'd in my squad for the pre-shoot worked (taped & reset the stages). Only the shooter on-deck was exempt. I would still pick shooting two half days in that hot & humid weather over spending 12+ hours shooting/working the preshoot.
Regardless if you work or not, it takes twice as long to shoot 16 than 8, although someone else is scoring, patching and resetting you still have to wait for your squad to finish each stage before moving on to the next, depending on the weather, usually hot and sunny, it makes for a long hot and tiring day, much better shooting 8 on one day and then coming in fresh to shoot the other 8 on another day.
MangledMoose
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- Location
- Edmonton Alberta Canada
I think some folks need to go look at what sponsors paid to support this match and what they got in return before they spout off on the internet... The fact is most of the sponsor levels only got a reservation and still had to pay the match fee for the privilege of being in the pre match... But don't take my word for it, it's all posted to the match website. Oh and before I forget the team CZ shooters had to pay their own match fee at the match.
Personally I think having superstars shoot the prematch is a waste of time and a tad insulting. For them it's just another notch on their belt and that's it. People want to see these people, meet them, see their gear, see how they shoot stages etc. The whole point of their existence as sponsored big name shooters is to spread their image and rep their products. Simply showing up and winning a match and scooting is unacceptable and an abuse of the sponsor slot system. But that's me.
Like I said, I'd still prefer to shoot it in one day and then save several days of my time.
Can't say what sponsors got in return. I spend 2 days out of 3 at the range that had no sponsor presence. Well, besides some posters on see cans (but who read them?).
Not only you. I'd say many will agree. Especially that it wasn't even physically possible to get to the range during pre-match.
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- Location
- Thunder Bay, Ontario
Jessie went and shot Area 3 right after so that’s why she shot the prematch. I agree with Slavex 100% on this one.
