Yeah that is what I had in my mind too. Simply loading the 22-250 OR 22 creedmoor down to where throat erosion is much much less. 22-250 prob makes more sense if I were to do that. That’s my one issue with the 223 that I’ll wanna max the load out fully to get the 75’s to move at a good pace
223, 223 Ai, 22-250 or 22 creedmoor??
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I trim a normal 223 every three firings usually. The AI hardly ever. I don't anneal and start seeing a few cracked necks starting at 6 around firings on both. Fireforming is a bit more cost too on the AI. You could extend your brass life if you chamber with no turn "match" reamer
If a 223/ai isn't quite enough other options worth looking at are 22br and 22 dasher.
Both should get a little better barrel life than a 22 creed or 22-250 due to less powder and a longer neck. But I wouldn't expect a multi-thousand round life from any of them.
Both should get a little better barrel life than a 22 creed or 22-250 due to less powder and a longer neck. But I wouldn't expect a multi-thousand round life from any of them.
Would you enter the Indy 500 with regular gas?
Build a race care and use race car ammo or accept the consequences of not.
You have 2 choices... Slow twist and short range accuracy only with light bullets and crappy accuracy at long range... or fast twist and get good short and long range accuracy with heavy bullets, but crappy accuracy with light bullets... but since its a close target... you will hit it anyway even with crappy accuracy.
There is no in between.
Heavy bullets from a slow twist barrel will provide dismal accuracy and light bullets from a fast twist barrel will result is dismal accuracy.. or bullets that fly apart in flight from spinning so fast.
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This is the same thing I hear, "I want a long range match rifle that I can hunt with" ok its do able but... you will have a rifle that's heavie to walk around with about 12lb it's going to have a lot of carbon fiber and you are not going to do the best you can do at a match vs a dedicated match rifle.
While I agree with this to a certain point, there really is no definitive point where the line between the two is drawn.
The 53gr V-max will perform well in an 8 twist even when pushed above typical 223 velocities. It's still not going to be a long range performer but I've found it to work extremely well for paper punching or varminting out to about 400 yards out of a 22-250. Beyond 400 is still effective but depending on conditions you will start to see things degrade noticeably.
I’m leaning towards 1-8 twist cuz it’s enough for the 75’s and some guns with 1-8” twist do well with the 50-60 v max. I get the point your bringing across about building a race car and using it with race car fuel. I’ve simply read of a lot others able to still use some of the varmint bullets with very good accuracy as well.
Look... if you throat the chamber for the long VLD bullets you will be jumping the sh!t out of the lighter and shorter bullets... then accuracy with them will degrade.
It's not just the barrel twist rate... its the barrel twist rate and throat depth in combination with loads seated to suit.
Mess with that balance at your own peril.
Either way it will still go bang... its up to you to decide what's acceptable... and if you are so focused on the light bullets this entire thread is a waste of gas.
It's not just the barrel twist rate... its the barrel twist rate and throat depth in combination with loads seated to suit.
Mess with that balance at your own peril.
Either way it will still go bang... its up to you to decide what's acceptable... and if you are so focused on the light bullets this entire thread is a waste of gas.
I'm going to be building a 223AI on my next rifle. I've decided its kind of perfect balance for me. No issues with magazines, and there's a great selection of brass! But I totally get it! I've been wanting to build a 224 Valk but the magazines are the huge hold back fo me! 22-250 seems cool and so does 22 Creedmoor but I feel the 223 AI is a perfect stop-gap between those two.
I’d just build it for the projectiles you plan to shoot the most. In all likelihood, it’ll shoot VMaxs just fine too. Jump doesn’t automatically mean poor accuracy. My 223 throated for the 75ELD @ just under 2.5” OAL, shoots the 55 VMax acceptably also. I rarely shoot them anymore tho, the 75s are just way more fun.
Yeah I have to throat it for the 75’s and be done with it. I’m sorta stuck now with the idea of the 22-250 and 22 creedmoor, but I would keep the loads at the lowest powder charge. I don’t need 75 grainers going 3600 FPS lol. 3000-3200 would be plenty to me.
Looks like yours likes the 55’s too!
Looks like yours likes the 55’s too!
Don't forget that with fast spin rates and ultra fast muzzle velocities you can expect bullets to fly apart before they hit the target.
You have to balance the speed range with the twist rate.
1:7 is fine for a 223 and 75s but probably too fast for a 22-250 with 55s without bullets exploding.
I could easily just lightly pepper the target with 40 grainers out of a 1:7 at any reasonable speed.
You have to balance the speed range with the twist rate.
1:7 is fine for a 223 and 75s but probably too fast for a 22-250 with 55s without bullets exploding.
I could easily just lightly pepper the target with 40 grainers out of a 1:7 at any reasonable speed.
.22 PPC. Or if you want more jam, then a .22BR.
I personally want to play with a .22BRA for the 88 ELDM's, may be a project for the future.
The .22 creedmoor is pretty overbore. I think the 6mm version is already overbore, nevermind a .22.
I personally want to play with a .22BRA for the 88 ELDM's, may be a project for the future.
The .22 creedmoor is pretty overbore. I think the 6mm version is already overbore, nevermind a .22.
Yeah it’s definitely overbore. I would only want a bigger casing than the 223 has simply so I don’t have to try and run at max pressure in the small 223 pushing 75’s or 80’s. That way I could load it really mild or even on the “wimpy” side for the 22-250 or creedmoor and be just above the 223 max velocity with the 75’s. I think 22-250 is big enough for a 22 cal. That 22 br, especially the 22 dasher looks really appealing. I don’t wanna go through all the process of making brass though so forget that noise but they look really appealing
For 22br, all you would have to do is neck down 6br brass.
