Stag 10 legal question when swaping SBR and 18.5+ uppers

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Questions here,

I have a 18.5+" upper on my Stag10 and is considered Non-Restricted. If I swap out the upper for a say... 13" upper that would make the rifle restricted.

Here's my question, the lower is the rifle right? If I put a SBR upper on my non-restricted lower for a competition at a CFO approved range, will this make my lower restricted?

What if I swap these parts all the time between hunting 18.5+ and competition 13" what then?

The law dosent seem to give me guidance on this. It clearly states 18.5+ non-restricted, and <18.5 restricted, but what about changing barrel lengths through the use of a modular rifle?

Chris
 
As far as the question about assembling it at the range... that’s a can of worms. One thing for sure is that the second you assemble it you are most definitely in possession of a restricted firearm without a registration certificate. That being said, a bunch of armchair lawyers are going to pipe in and give their personal opinion about that. Whatever you decide, I recommend paying extra for legal defence insurance when you renew your CCFR membership lol
 
This is Canada,,, you think you can just swap uppers all Willy nilly and an evil genie won’t appear,,, comical!

Seriously though, if it’s not registered as a restricted and you toss on your SBR upper it Becomes a restricted without transport or registration papers.

You can do what you want but at some point, your gonna have a bad time!
 
Ilove12gshotguns said:
Questions here,

I have a 18.5+" upper on my Stag10 and is considered Non-Restricted. If I swap out the upper for a say... 13" upper that would make the rifle restricted.

Here's my question, the lower is the rifle right? If I put a SBR upper on my non-restricted lower for a competition at a CFO approved range, will this make my lower restricted?

What if I swap these parts all the time between hunting 18.5+ and competition 13" what then?

The law dosent seem to give me guidance on this. It clearly states 18.5+ non-restricted, and <18.5 restricted, but what about changing barrel lengths through the use of a modular rifle?

Chris
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Appears as if you answered your own question. Modular got nothing to do with it.
 
Ilove12gshotguns said:
Questions here,

I have a 18.5+" upper on my Stag10 and is considered Non-Restricted. If I swap out the upper for a say... 13" upper that would make the rifle restricted.

Here's my question, the lower is the rifle right? If I put a SBR upper on my non-restricted lower for a competition at a CFO approved range, will this make my lower restricted?

What if I swap these parts all the time between hunting 18.5+ and competition 13" what then?

The law dosent seem to give me guidance on this. It clearly states 18.5+ non-restricted, and <18.5 restricted, but what about changing barrel lengths through the use of a modular rifle?

Chris
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There are two issues.
First, you would be in possession of an unregistered restricted firearm, and,
Second, please review the Forum Rules and FAQ, particularly #5 in the list of topics which will not be tolerated, and may result in an immediate ban.
 
Thank you for the replies, seems it is a hard no.

At the same time Tiriaq and OkayShooter you two need to lighten the heck up. If I do get banned from this forum because I asked a question to make sure I dont break any laws
This forum probably is not were tmyou want to be spending time on the internet anyways.

The RCMP is not going to restrict all Stag10s because 1 guy asked a simple question on the internet about uppers.
 
Ilove12gshotguns said:
Thank you for the replies, seems it is a hard no.

At the same time Tiriaq and OkayShooter you two need to lighten the heck up. If I do get banned from this forum because I asked a question to make sure I dont break any laws
This forum probably is not were tmyou want to be spending time on the internet anyways.

The RCMP is not going to restrict all Stag10s because 1 guy asked a simple question on the internet about uppers.
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No need to get pissy. And I don't think you get banned for asking. But telling a mod to lighten up may do so. There is a possibility that it could open up a can of worms, if you do go thru with it. Happened in the airgun world where a gun was reclassified based on how easy it was to mod.

### mentioned a good point to me, that the RCMP regularly scan out forum. I've had firearms technicians mention things from ours and other forums on how people are tuning guns over the legal limit for an uncontrolled friearm. For that reason, even if you have a restricted license it puts that particular model in danger of being reclassified restricted if they see that these are easily tuned over 500fps. Not your fault, I sent it to you on the borderline of going over, or maybe some shots were over the line. Just posting about it on the forum may be a bad thing for all of us. Apparently ### remembers a particular model getting reclassified for that very reason.
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This post has now become poison and I immediately regret asking the question.

"If I decide to go through with it?" WTF?

Simple question results in name calling and several threats from both moderators and forum members. What a joke.
 
Ilove12gshotguns said:
This post has now become poison and I immediately regret asking the question.

"If I decide to go through with it?" WTF?

Simple question results in name calling and several threats from both moderators and forum members. What a joke.
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I think you need to lighten up. Show me where are these threats or name calling, you're accusing me of saying?

You are telling a mod to lighten up. I merely pointed out, doing so may result in your ban. That's hardly a threat. That's pointing out the obvious. And you also told me to lighten the heck up and cursed. And took offensive on being told not to be pissy. Guess that's considered name calling in 2019?
 
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It's pretty much a no brainer that putting a restricted barrel on a non restricted and failing to report it for a classification change is a violation of the firearms act

now assume you are licensed with an RPAL.
If you decide to build or modify your non restricted firearm in a manner that makes it prohibited----> this is completely illegal
if you decide to build or modify your non restricted firearm in a manner that makes it restricted ----> this is legal but you must self report the classification change within 30 days.
further, said firearm would not be legal to transport without being reclassified and added to ATT conditions.

so if johnny has his rpal and happens to combine parts of a normally non restricted firearm and it meets the criteria of restricted..... the rules are pretty cut and dry and so are the criminal ramifications of failing to report the change. What specific non restricted firearm matters not. I had a customer who wanted a 16" barrelled "socom" m14 built on what started as a non restricted firearm. This was during the days of the long gun registry too. It was all done , verified and reclassified without any issues via the current firearms act process.

so if you are in your gun room tinkering around with your toys and you happen to come up with a restricted configuration..... if you plan that to be permanent, you have 30 days. If you have no immediate plans to make it permanent, you are within the 30 day legal time frame , simply take it apart , no harm, no foul. You can not leave your residence with it to go test it out without an ATT and it has to be reclassified to be added .

it all makes perfect sense to me, spelled out very clearly in the firearms act and on the cfc website.

Edit to add..... if you don't have an RPAL and are messing around with these types of scenarios.... best to keep that to yourself as doing so would be quite irresponsible and down right dumb, not to mention illegal.
 
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Ilove12gshotguns said:
This post has now become poison and I immediately regret asking the question.

"If I decide to go through with it?" WTF?

Simple question results in name calling and several threats from both moderators and forum members. What a joke.
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Hey, if you realize how long everybody on here has been wanting a 308/223 semi sporting/ hunting rifle , that resembles and has the same parts compatibility as the AR,for the most part,you’d understand.

Since ATRS paved the way, it was a distant dream, now the options are very good.
So, that’s why some of the guys get a bit antsy :)

After all, look at what we got for a government. Anything is possible with those #### suckers in charge.
 
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