We need more folks with such crystal clear mental clarity and coherent speaking ability like Cameron SS to chime in and share their views and knowledge to bring these hidden liberals to check mate. "Intellectual" liberals like RK99 who play sophisticated word games and spread BS with incredible amount of sugar coating and charged with emotions (involving his children future into argument) which is typical Liberal approach (who needs assault rifle that can shoot 200 rds before reloading) type of fact distortion crap...
Trudeau's Gun Ban and Buy Back
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This, awesome argument, thx Shooting Centre
borsch
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I suspected as much with all of the daily publications in all news outlets of the daily shootings in GTA in the last few months. Surprisingly, though, any time victims' relatives are interviewed on CBC Radio, most of them point out the fact that the victims were in the gangs and that no gun control will solve the issue, at the very least, because of the neighbor market down South.
Entire family are voting PC, and not only because of their stance on gun control. Liberals' Energy policy (or lack thereof), disastrous Foreign Affairs policy and in general being "unfit to rule" are all factors in our family decision.
Also, pretty pissed that the "brown face scandal" appears to be taken as a more serious issue and bigger news than the alleged abuse of power and obstruction of justice in the SNC Scandal for which Turdoe didn't even apologize. It is truly a pathetic state of society we live in now.
Entire family are voting PC, and not only because of their stance on gun control. Liberals' Energy policy (or lack thereof), disastrous Foreign Affairs policy and in general being "unfit to rule" are all factors in our family decision.
Also, pretty pissed that the "brown face scandal" appears to be taken as a more serious issue and bigger news than the alleged abuse of power and obstruction of justice in the SNC Scandal for which Turdoe didn't even apologize. It is truly a pathetic state of society we live in now.
Domestic Gun Violence?
Funny but most RECORDED GUN VIOLENCE I hear about living in Ottawa are from Muslim immigrant gangs that the Liberals under the Communist Trudeau let into this country NOT because they care but because these morons will vote Libtard.
They come here and realize that the thousands they get from the government are not enough so they start drug and prostitution rings. Gee Mr. Trudeau do you think these lovely Muhammad's and Abdul's are going out and getting their PAL's and
LEGALLY buying HAND GUNS! NO They are illegal firearms coming from Liberal #### hole states down south. Now I know a lot of Canadians do not have two brain cells to rub together because if they did this twart would not be PM, but doesn't anyone wonder that if MUSLIM gangs can shoot EACH OTHER with ILLEGAL weapons, the possibility of a future TERROR attack using those same ILLEGAL Firearms is a likelihood! Think about Paris and those two arseholes that shot that cop point blank with people filming it from above. Imagine if rather than a fkin cell phone one had an AR. Two dead terrorists and a live cop WOULD have likely been the result. This is ALL part of the Trudeau / Liberal / Marxist / Globalist agenda. They want your guns so you can't fight back when they finally push us all up against that wall that is surely to come. Lester Pearson was a COMMUNIST. He appointed Pierre Trudeau to be his Justice Minister WHO WAS A COMMUNIST. THAT Communist became a PM and his COMMUNIST son is now in control. Yep, most Canadians ARE morons. But Communism is ok. Hitler BAD, Stalin GOOD. Hitler was driven to power by Marxists and murdered about 20 Million in Europe. Marxism has, including WWII, murdered in excess of 120 MILLION Souls. Yet, Canadians elect a fkin Commie as PM. It is no coincidence the Canadian flag is WHITE for surrender and RED for COMMUNIST.
Funny but most RECORDED GUN VIOLENCE I hear about living in Ottawa are from Muslim immigrant gangs that the Liberals under the Communist Trudeau let into this country NOT because they care but because these morons will vote Libtard.
They come here and realize that the thousands they get from the government are not enough so they start drug and prostitution rings. Gee Mr. Trudeau do you think these lovely Muhammad's and Abdul's are going out and getting their PAL's and
LEGALLY buying HAND GUNS! NO They are illegal firearms coming from Liberal #### hole states down south. Now I know a lot of Canadians do not have two brain cells to rub together because if they did this twart would not be PM, but doesn't anyone wonder that if MUSLIM gangs can shoot EACH OTHER with ILLEGAL weapons, the possibility of a future TERROR attack using those same ILLEGAL Firearms is a likelihood! Think about Paris and those two arseholes that shot that cop point blank with people filming it from above. Imagine if rather than a fkin cell phone one had an AR. Two dead terrorists and a live cop WOULD have likely been the result. This is ALL part of the Trudeau / Liberal / Marxist / Globalist agenda. They want your guns so you can't fight back when they finally push us all up against that wall that is surely to come. Lester Pearson was a COMMUNIST. He appointed Pierre Trudeau to be his Justice Minister WHO WAS A COMMUNIST. THAT Communist became a PM and his COMMUNIST son is now in control. Yep, most Canadians ARE morons. But Communism is ok. Hitler BAD, Stalin GOOD. Hitler was driven to power by Marxists and murdered about 20 Million in Europe. Marxism has, including WWII, murdered in excess of 120 MILLION Souls. Yet, Canadians elect a fkin Commie as PM. It is no coincidence the Canadian flag is WHITE for surrender and RED for COMMUNIST.
RK99
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Thuis is exactly the kind of extremely partisan thinking that has reared it's ugly head in politics on both the left and the right. if you aren't with us you are the enemy. That's healthy and a productive attitude that will lead to compromises or rational discussions around issues.
Oh man! You guys are hilarious. Sure, if the government came after you with their jets and helicopters and armoured personel carriers and bombs and missles and mortars and rifles with greater than 5 or 10 round capacities, you think you can resist with any firearms you can legally own, even at this point? I guess you must be enjoying Canada's legalized cannabis. That's the dumbest argument I've ever heard. Straight out of the NRA's joke of a playbook.
OK, I don't have time to address all the various points right now but will do so piecemeal. Let's start with the idea that the Conservatives are about small business vs. big business. Let's look at the Harper years when billions were handed out to Bombardier and the auto companies. I think the figures I saw were $3.7 billion in loans to GM and Chrysler that were written off. Harper made those loans. Additional loans and handouts went to Pratt &Whitney, Bombardier, Research in Motion, Hyundai, Ford and Magna. Harper handed out billions in corporate loans and subsidies. At the same time he reduced the corporate income tax rate for large corporations from 22% to 15%. How much did he reduce taxes for small business? From 12% to 11% and there was a 0.5% tax cut to the lowest bracket of personal income taxes. So who benefitted most from harper tax cuts? Big business. He also created the TFSA which was a greater help to the wealthy who had disposable income they could put into those accounts and further reduce their taxes owing. Average struggling Canadians didn't have enough money to contribute to TFSAs and take advantage of it. Oh yeah, there was also billions in fossil fuel subsidies to big oil companies.
You should do a bit of reading about Neoliberalism, which has nothing to do with polittical leanings of liberal vs. conservative. It's an economic policy and viewpoint and Harper was a true believer. The Liberals aren't a bunch better when it comes to that but are somewhat better. The Liberals also haven't been great in terms of corporate handouts as well. But to try to claimthat the Conservatives are pro small guy and small business and against big business isn't borne out by histroy and the evidence.
RK99
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Also, let's not forget that despite Harper drastically cutting the corporate income tax rate during his tenure, big companies moved $199 billion into offshore tax havens in 2015 alone. That number was growing every year since the Harper government was elected.
Cameron SS
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And what pres tell was the number during Trudeaus time as PM? Since your not a blatant anti CPC schill I am sure that you have ALL the facts?
About these facts. In 2014, CRA reported that Canadas corporations earned a collective 298 B in revenue with a taxable revenue of 40 B.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.5179489
So how is it that corporations hid 5 times their tax liability, or 67% of all income in off shore havens and still managed to fund their operations?
In otherwords, you 199B number is likely complete BS. Feel free to share a source that supports this claim.
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Toxicwhitemale
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Hopefully Justine Turdeau is finished. He is a complete and utter embarrassment to Canada. We need a guy like Maxine Bernier to run the country. I like his ideas with regards to guns. I wish he was even further right than he is. It should be legal to shoot someone who enters your home with the intent of robbing or causing serious harm to you, or a family member. We need Stand Your Ground laws like a good deal of the USA has. I would like to see open carry everywhere, except in cities full of libtards. I could live with concealed carry. The best thing to stop a bad guy with a gun, is a good guy/gal with a gun. The old bumper sticker says it all....."If guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns"
rajczak_kashka
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Buddy...please! You wanna talk about big companies and fed govt corruption... well your party of choice the Libs are masters at that. SNC scandal and Bombardier... the biggest welfare recipient in Canada. Stop talking RK99, your embarrassing yourself
Careful saying you’re going to vote PPC on this site you’ll get shamed with some bad vote splitting arguments.
Greazyjungle
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Thanks for that overtly racist first post ever on CGN - troll trying to encourage other racist posters?
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I use a non-restricted semiautomatic rifle for all my coyote hunting. I also use a semiautomatic in 308 for deer and bear. I also sport shoot with an "ASSAULT RIFLE" and Trudeau and Liberals want all semiautomatic rifles banned. And I also live on a 200 acres of land that sees loads of bears, wolves, coyotes and big cats. I feel safer and my dogs and animals are safer having the ability to have quick followup shots.
I am the definition of a single issue voter and I will not be voting Liberal because of the Gun Ban Agenda.
I am the definition of a single issue voter and I will not be voting Liberal because of the Gun Ban Agenda.
Not sure if this has been addressed yet but I worked out some numbers. (Because we should be fighting this based on facts alone).
Currently there around 76,000 AR-15's registered in Canada. Assume a fair market value per AR-15 of $1,500/firearm. Magazines, as well as additional upper receivers, and other accessories will need to be compensated. I would easily peg that number to be $2,000/firearm as "low fair":
76,000 x $2000 = $152M for AR-15's alone (excluding other "assault weapons").
With government programs, typically only 60% of the invested amount goes into the program with 40% spent in ancillaries (such as managing the program, government administration, etc). Since we expect legal challenges on this one, as well as challenges in terms of compliance, I would even say that up to 80% would go to program management costs with 20% going back to issuing payouts.
$152M x (100/20) = $0.76B
That's right, $0.76B just the AR-15's, not including other firearms classified as "assault weapons". I would double that amount to cover everything the Liberals are promising on banning. So if they went also for the SKS, CZ, etc. we can easily be looking at over $1.5B for this program. That's more than the entire Toronto Police Service budget for 2019 (https://toronto.citynews.ca/2019/01/24/police-services-board-approves-1b-budget-for-2019/)
And $2,000/firearm that includes all accessories is a low estimate. If this were to go up to $3,000 per firearm, the costs will be well over $2.0B.
The CPC or the National Post or Globe and Mail should be pointing out all of these numbers to the public. Trudeau has no plan and has no idea how much everything costs, and he's going to push forward a plan that has no merit without facts to back him up, just to cover up his embarrassment with the brown face and black face scandal.
Currently there around 76,000 AR-15's registered in Canada. Assume a fair market value per AR-15 of $1,500/firearm. Magazines, as well as additional upper receivers, and other accessories will need to be compensated. I would easily peg that number to be $2,000/firearm as "low fair":
76,000 x $2000 = $152M for AR-15's alone (excluding other "assault weapons").
With government programs, typically only 60% of the invested amount goes into the program with 40% spent in ancillaries (such as managing the program, government administration, etc). Since we expect legal challenges on this one, as well as challenges in terms of compliance, I would even say that up to 80% would go to program management costs with 20% going back to issuing payouts.
$152M x (100/20) = $0.76B
That's right, $0.76B just the AR-15's, not including other firearms classified as "assault weapons". I would double that amount to cover everything the Liberals are promising on banning. So if they went also for the SKS, CZ, etc. we can easily be looking at over $1.5B for this program. That's more than the entire Toronto Police Service budget for 2019 (https://toronto.citynews.ca/2019/01/24/police-services-board-approves-1b-budget-for-2019/)
And $2,000/firearm that includes all accessories is a low estimate. If this were to go up to $3,000 per firearm, the costs will be well over $2.0B.
The CPC or the National Post or Globe and Mail should be pointing out all of these numbers to the public. Trudeau has no plan and has no idea how much everything costs, and he's going to push forward a plan that has no merit without facts to back him up, just to cover up his embarrassment with the brown face and black face scandal.
We are all fully aware Canada does not have a second amendment. But does that change the point?
JeffMan
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I just wandered over to the PC website, bought the family a membership, made a donation, and placed an order for a lawn sign.
The Liberals need to be put to pasture.
I’ve got almost 13 years as a Police Officer so far. I’ve taken guns off of bad guys. I’ve seen people shot more times then I care to remember.
This proposed legislation is nothing more then pandering to people who know nothing about gun crime, it wouldn’t have made a bit of difference in any of the crime I’ve seen.
The Liberals know these facts too. Their motives are disingenuous and have nothing to do with fighting violent crime and everything to do with deceiving the gullible public. All this comes at the cost of leaving good people, law abiding people, to swing in the wind.
Also, I will not participate in the theft of other people’s, GOOD PEOPLES, privately owned property. Not after I’ve worked so hard to protect those same people, and their property, for so much of my career.
Trudeau is a cheat, and a lier.
The Liberals need to be put to pasture.
I’ve got almost 13 years as a Police Officer so far. I’ve taken guns off of bad guys. I’ve seen people shot more times then I care to remember.
This proposed legislation is nothing more then pandering to people who know nothing about gun crime, it wouldn’t have made a bit of difference in any of the crime I’ve seen.
The Liberals know these facts too. Their motives are disingenuous and have nothing to do with fighting violent crime and everything to do with deceiving the gullible public. All this comes at the cost of leaving good people, law abiding people, to swing in the wind.
Also, I will not participate in the theft of other people’s, GOOD PEOPLES, privately owned property. Not after I’ve worked so hard to protect those same people, and their property, for so much of my career.
Trudeau is a cheat, and a lier.
He lied to the Liberal Party, too.
Elizabeth May in Calgary on CBC :
It's been a shock, and it wasn't just one incident. Every new incident is a shock. I remain appalled.
Every time he tries to apologize something new slips out, like he didn't tell the vetters in the Liberal party when he first ran for parliament because he was embarrassed. I know that wouldn't wash for any of his candidates. It wouldn't wash for any of my candidates.
Now change that compensation number to $300-$500 and it looks more doable. I think it’s funny you think you would get fair compensation. They’re coming to steal our guns.
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Really? Evil Harper BS? Your facts are wrong and Harper is not running but if you want to discuss corruption then please don’t forget Chrétien, Martin, and Morneau. These guys actually personally benefited from their insider trading. Funny that Harper is still pretty middle class after 10 years as PM.
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Lugerman1937
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It’s time for Canadians to go on a nationwide work strike and stay at home for a few weeks. We could shut down this entire economy overnight and they would be forced to listen to our reasonable demands. A few weeks of this and this entire country could change for the better. If only we all had the backbone to do this not just a handful of us. People are to scared about losing their homes and getting arrested. They can not arrest us for not going to work. Not even for not paying your property taxes. I know cause I defer for 3 years and on the forth I pay the very first haha hell with em. Who will come for your home? Who will arrest you when there aren’t buildings big enough to house us all? Not to long ago truckers shut down the freeways and their demands were met so they resumed work. I know a lot of people that would do it if the rest would only follow. This isn’t just about firearms anymore, it’s about everything stacking up against us. Our way of life is gone and with it our dignity. To many people are so scared to say anything or even stand up for themselves. Just like this carbon tax nonsense. I along with 65 others have refused to pay it on my natural gas bill. We all paid what we used minus the carbon tax. Every month they threaten us to pay it and we just say send it to collections haha. Now imagine if we all just stood together and refused to pay it. We as civilians hold all the power, but until we band together our power is nothing. This is what the government sees and as a business they will continue to tax us to death and take away our freedoms as we simply smile and agree to pay.
It’s time for a peaceful resolution and for every Canadian to simply stay at home. I would rather suffer for a few weeks even up to a year than continue on Canada’s current path. The months of suffering is worth the outcome and it would show this regime that never again can they push us around. Sadly this is just a pipe dream of mine and once they come for my guns I’ll turn them over and hop across the border for a better life. That will be the last straw for me. I’m willing to stand up for this country and have a very peaceful resolution to its evil controlling regime, but if nobody will follow than I can’t do a dam thing except leave. Every year it gets worse and worse and harder to make ends meet so at this rate it’s really a no brainer for myself at least. In the last 5 years I’ve lost 6 of my friends who just said the hell with it and moved down south. Within a few years they’ve got their gun collection built back up and most importantly a wealthier happier life. I kinda see why so many of us don’t even make it to retirement, the stress kills us before old age does. I’d like to think this election will change everything, but in all honesty I don’t think it will.
It’s time for a peaceful resolution and for every Canadian to simply stay at home. I would rather suffer for a few weeks even up to a year than continue on Canada’s current path. The months of suffering is worth the outcome and it would show this regime that never again can they push us around. Sadly this is just a pipe dream of mine and once they come for my guns I’ll turn them over and hop across the border for a better life. That will be the last straw for me. I’m willing to stand up for this country and have a very peaceful resolution to its evil controlling regime, but if nobody will follow than I can’t do a dam thing except leave. Every year it gets worse and worse and harder to make ends meet so at this rate it’s really a no brainer for myself at least. In the last 5 years I’ve lost 6 of my friends who just said the hell with it and moved down south. Within a few years they’ve got their gun collection built back up and most importantly a wealthier happier life. I kinda see why so many of us don’t even make it to retirement, the stress kills us before old age does. I’d like to think this election will change everything, but in all honesty I don’t think it will.
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