New Canadian Ranger Rifle , C19

Claven2 said:
Dimensions. Alloys, tolerance drawings, finish... it's not the same gun. Not made in the same country, not made on the same machines, not made to the same qa/qc standard.

The tikka is to the c19 as a bushmaster AR15 is to a c7.

Its academic though, no civvy can own a real c19. Literally none are in the civilian market, and they never will be because of the contractual legalities.
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Totally different gun, and yet according to the published info CC was just assembling the first several hundred or so C19's from kits supplied by Tikka...except the barrel of course.

and from CC's official Press Release:
5. Colt Canada will produce the barrel, bolt and receiver under licence from Sako. Production is scheduled
to begin mid to end 2016.
 
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I suspect a lot of it my have had to do with the statement given above..."Colt Canada will produce the barrel, bolt and receiver under licence from Sako"

Military procurement is rarely about the soldier but always has a political dimension.
 
Is it at all possible for some of you Ranger folk to post pics of your rifles to show us the real thing, reading about them is all well and fine but pics would be fantastic.
 
My choice would have been the AI Arctic warfare version - civilians get exactly the same rifle as we did when I was in the service. It's a world-wide proven action and barrel - 18 other countries might be wrong, but I doubt it. AND it's cheaper, too, as well as being made in the Old Country.
 
TheNatural21 said:
My patrol has only had ours for a couple months. I like them so far but can't really comment on how they're holding up. My only gripe is that the first round is tough to chamber from a full mag; that will hopefully improve as magazines break in more. As is I only load 8 rounds for field use to ensure I don't have any hiccups if I need to use it in a hurry. I heard about a couple minor issues with the first batch, but all seem to be corrected now.

Oh... The red stock bleeds a bit when wet too. It made for slightly colourful hands on a wet range day.
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Mag will not break in. You may wish to try this. Disassemble mag, reassemble without the stainless steel spacer that lies in the bottom of the mag body. You now have more room in there for the 10th round and your bolt will not need to be hammered on it to chamber the first round. Worked on almost everyone's rifle that tried it.
 
Divermike said:
All 6 of the mags I have used in my C19 got the top front corners of the feed lips dinged up. Other rifles I looked at this did not show it though. Even after above mentioned mag mod, some feeding issues were encountered. Going to look into your idea.
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How did you get 6!?!

I'll look into the mag spacer mentioned. I'm hesitant to do any modifications to a DND rifle, but if it's just a spacer that can pop out (and back in later) it might be worthwhile.
 
Divermike said:
... Got about 1000 rnds through mine so far. Compared to the No.4, C19 has a rougher action, is slower to operate, ...
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Though any No.4 would have many many times as many rounds through it, so it's a well-loved old rifle vs one that's just starting to break in. Any sense yet of how the C19 will do once the years and round count get up there?
 
old303 said:
Though any No.4 would have many many times as many rounds through it, so it's a well-loved old rifle vs one that's just starting to break in. Any sense yet of how the C19 will do once the years and round count get up there?
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MANY ranger rifles were issued unfired (Irish Contract No.4's, for example). The enfield is inherently smooth and fast right out of the box, not only after thousands of rounds.

The C19 on the other hand is a modern rifle meant to deal with the enfield becoming unsupportable, the desire to drop a calibre from the supply chain, and it's ease of serviceability in the modern part-swapping world.

It's debatable if the C19 is actually "better".
 
Divermike said:
Extra mags were issued for service rifle matches at CAFSAC. Had to give them back (with the spacer plates put back in) before going home. Got about 1000 rnds through mine so far. Compared to the No.4, C19 has a rougher action, is slower to operate, less adjustable sights, perhaps equally reliable, but has a better trigger, is much more powerful, more accurate, has a rail for scopes, is corrosion resistant, and lighter.
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Power would be quite similar. I suspect you are just feeling more recoil form a lighter rifle.
 
y2k said:
Why did Cz and Ruger not pass?
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I have a Ranger CZ and its a great rifle but side by side the Tikka is hands down the better rifle. Both are heavy and with optics are not a rifle I'd want to carry for miles in the bush for deer or moose....I'd happily have either for a short hike and ground or tree sitting. I'd have bought a Tikka by now but with my experience with the CZ ranger which i thought would be a hardy do all rifle turned out to be a range and safe queen untill i can figure out how to set it up more ideslly....

My big disappointment with all of the ranger carbines are the plastic magazines . For the Cz557 ranger all i wanted eas a scaled up CZ527 and its definitely not that. I know plastic mags are lighter for the army but for hunting a smidge more when you only have 1-2 mags snyway is totally different.
 
philhut said:
I have a Ranger CZ and its a great rifle but side by side the Tikka is hands down the better rifle. Both are heavy and with optics are not a rifle I'd want to carry for miles in the bush for deer or moose....I'd happily have either for a short hike and ground or tree sitting. I'd have bought a Tikka by now but with my experience with the CZ ranger which i thought would be a hardy do all rifle turned out to be a range and safe queen untill i can figure out how to set it up more ideslly....

My big disappointment with all of the ranger carbines are the plastic magazines . For the Cz557 ranger all i wanted eas a scaled up CZ527 and its definitely not that. I know plastic mags are lighter for the army but for hunting a smidge more when you only have 1-2 mags snyway is totally different.
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Interesting that your preference for hunting is metal mags. I sometimes hunt with a bolt action that takes AICS pattern magazines and I always grab the polymer MDT ones. I find the steel mags (which I have quite a few of) rattle a bit in the bottom metal so I save them for the range or field target shooting. It's not about weight for me at all. The metal mags for the C19 don't rattle like my AICS mags so I don't mind them.
 
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