Two-gun solutions for taking partridge during a deer hunt

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Where I deer hunt, you see a lot more ruffed grouse (otherwise known as partridge) than deer – in any given day – during your deer hunt. People still shoot them with their centerfire rifle – aiming at the head to preserve the meat but, needless to say, it makes a lot of noise and waste a perfectly good, expensive cartridge. I think it is also, theoretically, against the hunting rules.

Obviously, an option for hunting both partridge and deer in the same outing could include some sort of a combination rifle, but the bad news there is you are limited to basically one shot from each of your shotgun and rifle barrels. This is not a great solution where I hunt – as the deer are normally flying through the bush – so good luck with a single shot of centerfire ammo from a combo gun, with compromised sights.

Time comes into this a bit, inasmuch as you are way more likely to see partridge during the midday and deer in the morning and evening. This means that, if you are carrying two guns – such as a light 22 and a deer rifle – you can have your centerfire gun ready mornings and evenings, with your 22 in a scabbard or on a sling – and reverse the arrangement midday; so that your main gun is your 22 (maybe a 22 Magnum …).

In a tight bush, any kind of an extra gun tends to get hung-up on the brush. I have thought of carrying a scoped CO2 pistol in a holster – so that I could take the occasional partridge while always carrying my centerfire rifle at-the-ready. I imagine that might be a good solution – but I have never tested this out.

One of those ultra-short 410 single shot shotguns might also be a workable solution – and I imagine you could probably rig-up some sort of holster-type arrangement for those.

The final, possible answer might be to have some sort of centerfire rifle which allows you to push a subsonic round (say, with a lead bullet and Trail Boss powder) into the top of the box magazine (ejecting the full power cartridge first); thereby allowing you to shoot the partridge with a light load without damaging the partridge meat and/ or scaring every deer out of the county. This is probably still against the rules, but not by much. I doubt a game warden would care, either way.

In places where you can use a 223 on deer, the light cartridge you sub-in could even be a 22LR - in one of those .223-to-22 LR case adapters from MCA Sp*rts. However, I mostly hunt in Quebec so that’s not an option

Does anybody have any thoughts for the best solution for this shooting scenario?
 
I often will carry some subsonic cast bullet loads with Trail Boss for just this scenario. Pop one in when you see a grouse.

The real answer is a 22LR pistol on your hop, of course. Just not allowed in Canada!
 
Where I deer hunt, you see a lot more ruffed grouse (otherwise known as partridge) than deer – in any given day – during your deer hunt. People still shoot them with their centerfire rifle – aiming at the head to preserve the meat but, needless to say, it makes a lot of noise and waste a perfectly good, expensive cartridge. I think it is also, theoretically, against the hunting rules.

Obviously, an option for hunting both partridge and deer in the same outing could include some sort of a combination rifle, but the bad news there is you are limited to basically one shot from each of your shotgun and rifle barrels. This is not a great solution where I hunt – as the deer are normally flying through the bush – so good luck with a single shot of centerfire ammo from a combo gun, with compromised sights.

Time comes into this a bit, inasmuch as you are way more likely to see partridge during the midday and deer in the morning and evening. This means that, if you are carrying two guns – such as a light 22 and a deer rifle – you can have your centerfire gun ready mornings and evenings, with your 22 in a scabbard or on a sling – and reverse the arrangement midday; so that your main gun is your 22 (maybe a 22 Magnum …).

In a tight bush, any kind of an extra gun tends to get hung-up on the brush. I have thought of carrying a scoped CO2 pistol in a holster – so that I could take the occasional partridge while always carrying my centerfire rifle at-the-ready. I imagine that might be a good solution – but I have never tested this out.

One of those ultra-short 410 single shot shotguns might also be a workable solution – and I imagine you could probably rig-up some sort of holster-type arrangement for those.

The final, possible answer might be to have some sort of centerfire rifle which allows you to push a subsonic round (say, with a lead bullet and Trail Boss powder) into the top of the box magazine (ejecting the full power cartridge first); thereby allowing you to shoot the partridge with a light load without damaging the partridge meat and/ or scaring every deer out of the county. This is probably still against the rules, but not by much. I doubt a game warden would care, either way.

In places where you can use a 223 on deer, the light cartridge you sub-in could even be a 22LR - in one of those .223-to-22 LR case adapters from MCA Sp*rts. However, I mostly hunt in Quebec so that’s not an option

Does anybody have any thoughts for the best solution for this shooting scenario?

I don't see anything in the regs that disallows using a centerfire "big game" rifle except where outlined in certain areas. And if you have a deer tag, it doesn't make any difference in most areas. Regs quoted below:

If you are hunting small game in an area where there is an open season for deer, moose, elk, or black bear, you may not possess or use a rifle of greater muzzle energy than 400 foot-pounds or shells loaded with ball or with shot larger than No. 2 shot (non-toxic equivalents include steel shot larger than triple BBB, or bismuth larger than double BB), unless you possess a valid licence to hunt deer, moose, elk or black bear as the case may be. This restriction does not apply south of the French and Mattawa Rivers during an open season for deer that is restricted to the use of bows. A person hunting small game may not carry or use a rifle of greater calibre than a .275-calibre rifle, except a muzzleloading gun, in the geographic areas of Brant, Chatham-Kent, Durham, Elgin, Essex, Haldimand, Halton, Hamilton, Huron, Lambton, Middlesex, Niagara, Norfolk, Northumberland, Oxford, Peel, Perth, Toronto, Waterloo, Wellington or York

Carrying an extra gun except for a pistol, CO2 or otherwise is pretty unwieldy. Carrying a CO2 pistol in .22 wouldn't be a bad option.

As Gatehouse mentioned, it's pretty easy to load a sub sonic handload. There is also the Hammond Game Getter which is a small loading kit, and cartridge "case" that turns your favourite cartridge into a blank powered, round ball shooting small game gun.

A short barreled shot gun wouldn't be all that quiet. One of the short .22 rifles would be a bit less noisy, but still not as quiet as a custom grouse load.
 
A 12g pump gun plugged to 2+1, if you’re in tight bush a slug is plenty accurate 50-80y. If you see birds it’s quick to load birdshot, that would be my choice for a thick bush deer and upland game combo gun. Humping two guns around is just unpractical, you could easily carry a slingshot and some marbles if your see birds on the ground and are closer in.
 
If they made a smooth bore mares lake . That you could use the 357 or .38 cci shot shell. The only thing is the noise might scare off deer in the area. They make some beautiful leather leg holsters for them that would work great just for that
 
I think it is also, theoretically, against the hunting rules.


How is it against the rules?

The solution to your problem, as already pointed out, is a Hammond Game Getter, or a pocket full of mouse-fart loads with lead bullets.

The partridge get a pass from me during deer season. I don't fire a shot until there is deer hair under the crosshairs.
 
Love my Maverick 18.5” 12 gauge going for birds after the morning deer hunt, along with few slugs handy for large game if lucky.
 
Of all the rifles I have hunted with I took more grouse with my 338 WM than all my other firearms combined.
All were head shots except for one that flushed just as I pulled the trigger and the longest was 38 paces.
Can only think of two occasions when I went out to just hunt grouse.
 
12ga smoothbore slug gun!!

Loaded with a slug it is accurate out to 100 meters .... and loaded with shot it will take any grouse ....

And loaded with this .... it could take anything .... theoretically ... :d

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Many ruffed grouses on my WT patch.

Since i am 20 years old, i carry a 9 foot bambou fly fishing rod.

I just whip them in the neck, they are easy to kill, got many.
 
Sort of off subject but I will mention the person who taught me most of what I know about hunting always beat it into my head if your are hunting big game you hunt big game, not birds. He always said if you were chasing something else sooner or later you would blow a chance at your principal target. To this day I follow that advice most of the time.
 
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