I can hit a 9 inch gong at 100 yards with the iron sights on my CZ all day long.
9mm PCC of choice for ultimate reliability and battle type use.
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I can hit a 9 inch gong at 100 yards with the iron sights on my CZ all day long.
Seems poor trigger feel is a fairly common issue among various PCC models, though I understand the Ruger's isn't too bad. My TNW ASR had about a 6.5lb creepy pull, very uneven if not quite gritty feeling. I filed down the rounded part over which the sear trips by about 1/3 to lighten the release and polished the heck out of everything engaging with anything else to reduce friction, dropping it to below 5lbs with a fairly crisp feel to it after a smooth 1/4" of travel. A little elbow grease goes a long way with mechanical things. Polished the sliding parts in the action as well - the bolt carrier and buffer weight and the spring ends. I'd seen folks complaining about the difficulty in drawing back the bolt, one Canadian video reviewer being especially disturbed by this, but even before polishing it really wasn't very challenging. After some cleaning up it feels smooth and sounds quieter. Oh right, some lithium grease on the spring helped with the noise.
In general it surprises me when I see all the little complaints about various PCC models having issues. These things are basically dirt cheap, considering they're being made by workers getting paid in US Dollars. It's obvious that corners are being cut everywhere to get them out the door at saleable pricing. Some degree of end user willingness to do a bit of refining see implied. Heck, I have rarely bought anything in the last 40 years that I didn't modify in one or more ways. Manufacturing is like that. Expecting a gun out of the box for less than $2,000, or especially under $1,000, to work like a Swiss watch, well, that's just a bit silly. Learn to tinker with these things. Polish your extractor face so it grabs brass a little easier. Polish the chamber after rounding the feed ramp edges to prevent bullets from getting caught up and assure easy extraction. Check your crowns for defects and polish them to perfection if they aren't already perfect (which they aren't from the factory, ever). Let's be realistic about these things. They're simple machines, made on a budget, and one should expect less than perfect performance until they're coaxed into their ideal state with some TLC. And it's not like there aren't YouTube tutorials on all this stuff!
In general it surprises me when I see all the little complaints about various PCC models having issues. These things are basically dirt cheap, considering they're being made by workers getting paid in US Dollars. It's obvious that corners are being cut everywhere to get them out the door at saleable pricing. Some degree of end user willingness to do a bit of refining see implied. Heck, I have rarely bought anything in the last 40 years that I didn't modify in one or more ways. Manufacturing is like that. Expecting a gun out of the box for less than $2,000, or especially under $1,000, to work like a Swiss watch, well, that's just a bit silly. Learn to tinker with these things. Polish your extractor face so it grabs brass a little easier. Polish the chamber after rounding the feed ramp edges to prevent bullets from getting caught up and assure easy extraction. Check your crowns for defects and polish them to perfection if they aren't already perfect (which they aren't from the factory, ever). Let's be realistic about these things. They're simple machines, made on a budget, and one should expect less than perfect performance until they're coaxed into their ideal state with some TLC. And it's not like there aren't YouTube tutorials on all this stuff!
A 9mm AR will still be restricted. X95 is non-restricted. Even though the X95 9mm is substantially more expensive than the other choices, there are a few advantages. It is a military-grade rifle, mags are readily available and reasonably priced (both ASC 10rd pistol mags and full length 5/32rd), it is true ambidextrous, super easy to clean, and most importantly has a good reputation for reliability. I bought the last one at Tenda, but G4C still has one in stock.
Not trying to poop on the X95, just wondering - isn't it a significant disadvantage in terms of the 'battle type use' part of this question that this model is restricted to 5-round magazines? Perhaps I'm misunderstanding and it's legal to use some type of 10-rounder? While 10 is scarcely 'military' insofar as capacity goes, it's a heck of a lot more than 5, so on this criterion alone it would seem to scratch the $2,000 X95 off the list. Unless of course one were thinking of un-pinning a 32-round magazine, but nobody does that here.
I love my CX4 too, never had a hiccup, but the trigger is awful.
The UDP-9 is an AR-style platform so it's customizable with all your favorite accessories. I finally got mine set up the way I want it and a dedicated 9mm, short-barreled, glock mag compatible AR platform is just what the doctor ordered. They are marketed at law enforcement in the land of the free and mine runs like a top. I will post a picture later.
ASC LAR-15 9mm 10-Round Pistol Mag
I'm loving my GHM9 with the Glock mag lower. I sold a PWS PCC and picked up the B&T after. The GHM9 is a softer shooter (even without a muzzle brake), and the ergonomics are great. For lack of a better way of describing it, it "feels" more like a PCC/SMG than a 9mm AR. Highly recommended on my end.
CMMG MK9 16”
When new, was pretty unreliable and is still fickle about what ammo it runs.
But with a little work, opening up freebore with a throating reamer and making the ammo 147gr FP seated to 1.195”(this actually fits in colt pattern pistol mags) with 4.7gr 700X making a velocity of 1280fps at the muzzle.
Decently accurate load as well, 5 shot groups @25yrds measuring in the .75” range.
Other pros of 9mmAR is lots of parts are interchangeable with AR15 including triggers.
As for the battle worthiness of it, would hate to be on the receiving end of a mag dump even at 100yrds
Past that range though, given other possible choices, it just wouldn’t cut it.
When new, was pretty unreliable and is still fickle about what ammo it runs.
But with a little work, opening up freebore with a throating reamer and making the ammo 147gr FP seated to 1.195”(this actually fits in colt pattern pistol mags) with 4.7gr 700X making a velocity of 1280fps at the muzzle.
Decently accurate load as well, 5 shot groups @25yrds measuring in the .75” range.
Other pros of 9mmAR is lots of parts are interchangeable with AR15 including triggers.
As for the battle worthiness of it, would hate to be on the receiving end of a mag dump even at 100yrds
Past that range though, given other possible choices, it just wouldn’t cut it.
I agree 100%. There aren't many firearms that we own that we don't do a little bit of work too to make them run better. But after owning and shooting lots of various firearms over the years there are a few that we end up developing a high degree of trust for. I include all my CZ's in there, LMT AR's etc.
I also have the GHM9 with the Glock lower. I love it. 100% reliable so far. Worth every penny. Wolverine can get you parts, but I doubt very much that you would ever need any. Restricted, folding stock, small, light weight. It's a quality built gun.
I also love the X95. 100% reliable as well so far. Uses Colt pattern SMG mags which we can buy 10 rounders up here. Non restricted. The only draw back...maybe is weight. It's heavier than most PCCs out there but the weight is really well balanced. You don't notice it as much when shooting. But if you were to go backpacking with it all day, there are lighter options.
I also love the X95. 100% reliable as well so far. Uses Colt pattern SMG mags which we can buy 10 rounders up here. Non restricted. The only draw back...maybe is weight. It's heavier than most PCCs out there but the weight is really well balanced. You don't notice it as much when shooting. But if you were to go backpacking with it all day, there are lighter options.
View attachment 317367Works great for me. I mean GREAT. Sub2k gen 2 has its place in my life as well
