So where are we now?

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trapoholic said:
Here's a doozie for ya fellas. Couple years ago now I was at the gas station here in town. Cop pulls up to the pump with the windows down and his AR sitting upright between the seats, clear mag, loooaaded to the nuts... Then he walks into the gas station. Just leaves it there, windows open, for every meth head in town to grab ahold of.

On another note. This gun ban is just restricted weapons?
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Keys need to be in to activate the release switch for the clamp.
also; try to find the release switch.
 
It is a small, and maybe too complex point, but every time there is gun legislation, things are made worse even from the perspective of the grabbers. The registry was the cause of the huge increase of restricted arms ownership in the country. And one can pretty much link up all the gun legislation in the last 60 years (as far as I am aware of), with similar blunders.

Right now the thing that seems the most obvious on the horizon is that they are moving in a direction that will push the illegal gun trade, sorta illegal gun trade promotion act. As the jokers who figured out you can't ban MJ, and so they legalized it (but got no reduction in the criminal trade), they are not ideally placed to see the threat they are currently toying with. Criminals promote the gun trade when they take it over. They don't just sit on their hands.

Anyway, if you get a chance, mention how gun laws have generally not just made matters worse for shooter, but have actually had unintended consequences that should be of interest to banners. Even the CBC, which is far left of left, at least in TO, has been giving voice to anti-gang activists, who say guns are not the issue. So there may be some opening for a different message.
 
Could someone who is computer savvy please put a link on this thread on what the new Zealanders prohibited, pretty please!?
People are asking what could/would/will be prohibited. Read what they did down there and watch our fearless leader will try to one up that load of foolishness!
Semi auto everything! AR's to Remi 1100's to 1022's you name it.
High cap pumps 870's, 500's etc. etc. etc.
You have to read it to believe it folks but it will send a shiver down your spine!
Look at all the real cool stuff being on sale now! Retailers don't want to be caught with a pile of inventory but the sale could be good if they grandfather classifications if you own one now?
If I had a crystal ball I wouldn't be sitting here typing this mind you!
 
I think that by and large people understand that gun control does little good, but they only get interested when they are presented with something that hurts them. Outside of that, it is good news to most anti-gun types that gun owners are being screwed, but the government looses support as soon as the pain is spread more broadly. The registry was far too expensive for what good it might have done, but as a vanity project, it was not that expensive really. It served a number of useful functions politically and cathartically, so it was interesting how little expensive it took to make the public turn against it.
 
Ajax148 said:
Could someone who is computer savvy please put a link on this thread on what the new Zealanders prohibited, pretty please!?
People are asking what could/would/will be prohibited. Read what they did down there and watch our fearless leader will try to one up that load of foolishness!
Semi auto everything! AR's to Remi 1100's to 1022's you name it.
High cap pumps 870's, 500's etc. etc. etc.
You have to read it to believe it folks but it will send a shiver down your spine!
Look at all the real cool stuff being on sale now! Retailers don't want to be caught with a pile of inventory but the sale could be good if they grandfather classifications if you own one now?
If I had a crystal ball I wouldn't be sitting here typing this mind you!
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I did see the list and shook my fists in the air in front of my computer screen - would like to add probably (will) ban anything that has a threaded barrel because you can install a silencer and it now became a weapon of war - you don't need a threaded barrel to shoot deer - I've said this a few times I think Canada is halfway down the chit hole now
 
Always a good time to stop paying taxes, certainly the welfare dependents will run interference if money is being spent buying guns while there is nothing left for them.
Also if buying back the guns will immediately downgrade Canadian credit and result in instantly higher interest rates, that helps make them rethink the position.
If they can’t even pay someone to knock on the door, it won’t happen, or if it does they will be looking for taxes not guns.

Even if you won’t push the issue on guns, not paying taxes will greatly help those who do, while giving those who would advance civilian disarmament bigger problems to deal with.
 
rangebob said:
a) It hasn't been published yet, so no one knows
b) The presumption is that it's non-restricted as well. So {Prohibited, Restricted, Non-Restricted}, some of each. Both by the semi-auto ban/confiscation/buyback by name/type of a quarter million or so {Prohibited, Restricted, Non-Restricted}, as well as by the city possession/storage ban/sellable/value-destroyed of potentially millions of {Prohibited, Restricted, Non-Restricted}.
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So anything in the AR style and handguns.

captainamazing said:
Keys need to be in to activate the release switch for the clamp.
also; try to find the release switch.
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You're obviously a cop.

Point was he left a restricted weapon unattended in a open vehicle. Loaded.
 
Wolverine .303 said:
There was a thread running that was an open discussion on the current political climate here regarding firearms culture, community, and the state of the industry in general. It was closed due to some individuals using this platform to throw digital feces at each other in a form that is best left away from here. Be adults, have a civil discussion, the other thread became very comprehensive and long, to which my own failure of moderating allowed it to succumb to the condition it was left in.

I will do my best to keep an eye on this one better, please feel free to have a discussion, but please refrain from the name calling and childish behavior.

October 21st --> Did not go the way we wanted, could have been better, could have been worse. We find ourselves almost at the edge holding onto a rope. We haven't fallen over yet but that doesn't mean we should let go. We need to continue to be vocal, the CCFR did an good job at this the best they could prior to the election. We are not defeated.

November 20th --> Rumors, mumbling, and general hearsay claim that this is the day that the Liberal Party will announce whats what on firearms and legislation. Nothing concrete however.


So where are we now? What is our next move?
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I was thinking that if every Canadian that voted conservative stopped all discretionary spending we could send a message to Trudeau and Blair and the reset of the Liberals that we stand together!

It is legal to do this (save money).
It is good for you and your family to stop spending and put the money into TFSA (Double Budget Hit for the Liberals).
Hit them where it hurt...MONEY!!!
Don't give them ammunition against us
Lets keep this professional and civil.
You might need this money for legal defense.
The less tax money we give the Liberal government, the less power they will have (money = power)

Yes there will be some collateral damage, but this is a fight for our freedom.

I have had my hunting and FAC/PAL since I was 16.

I have one speeding ticket when I was 16 and one at 25.

My household income is 250K, and we are working for the man, so you know the taxes we pay.

And I am the gun problem in Canada?
 
Smoothbore said:
From reading the election analysis, this is what seems interesting:

Canada has seen the rise of the city states--like in Europe in the Middle Ages.
The population centres and knowledge industry and service jobs are
increasingly centred in just three places: Toronto, Montreal, and Vancouver.

These are populations that are younger, more educated, ethnically diverse, and tolerant
socially of issues like ### marriage, abortion, and the environment.

You cannot win a majority government without winning a substantial number of these seats.
This is the political reality of Canada today.

The Conservative message is not resonating with voters in these areas. The CPC lost something like
37 of 50 seats in the Toronto area. Changing leaders would help, but would not solve the lack of appeal
of the party's platform to these voters.

So, this is where we are now. If the Conservatives want to win majorities they will have to do some serious
rethinking of their platform beyond smaller government and lower taxes--items that hold little interest
to voters of the the three biggest cities--according to polling done in the election by (if I remember correctly) the Globe and Mail.

This is a serious, long-term problem--the Conservative message is not selling. Can it change and still be conservative?
I don't know. But endless leadership changes alone, will not solve the systemic issues.
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Best analysis of our predicament in a long time.

We need an revolution in our thinking, not an evolution. That begins with refining all of the traditional tools and adding some new ones like the gun lobby has done in the USA.

The CPC is our last "ally" but in order to win the urban vote they are going to have to move left and without some different approaches from us on offer to them they will eventually have to abandon us. We need to provide covering fire for them.

Ideas how to do that have been offered but ignored in the din of No Compromise but someday it will be evident that we missed our last real chance.

Something to think about. https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/for...nge-we-must-constructive-criticism-is-welcome change we must
 
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Smoothbore said:
From reading the election analysis, this is what seems interesting:

Canada has seen the rise of the city states--like in Europe in the Middle Ages.
The population centres and knowledge industry and service jobs are
increasingly centred in just three places: Toronto, Montreal, and Vancouver.

These are populations that are younger, more educated, ethnically diverse, and tolerant
socially of issues like ### marriage, abortion, and the environment.

You cannot win a majority government without winning a substantial number of these seats.
This is the political reality of Canada today.

The Conservative message is not resonating with voters in these areas. The CPC lost something like
37 of 50 seats in the Toronto area. Changing leaders would help, but would not solve the lack of appeal
of the party's platform to these voters.

So, this is where we are now. If the Conservatives want to win majorities they will have to do some serious
rethinking of their platform beyond smaller government and lower taxes--items that hold little interest
to voters of the the three biggest cities--according to polling done in the election by (if I remember correctly) the Globe and Mail.

This is a serious, long-term problem--the Conservative message is not selling. Can it change and still be conservative?
I don't know. But endless leadership changes alone, will not solve the systemic issues.
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I like what you said, it makes sense. Canada does not want to hear about stopping abortion or what you opinion on abortion is, don't go down this road ever again!!!
 
trapoholic said:
So anything in the AR style and handguns.


You're obviously a cop.

Point was he left a restricted weapon unattended in a open vehicle. Loaded.
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OMG my cover is blown!
Its also illegal to walk around with a gun on your hip in public. The Police Act gives police the ability to do things like that so they dont need to unlock their pistol cases, locate their ammo, load the mags and find the key for their trigger locks when things get dicey.

If people want to find examples of hypocrisy in our government that wasnt the best example. Turdeau gets the security of armed protection 24/7. Because hes rich and important. We get to call police AFTER we get robbed/raped/assaulted, because protecting ourselves with guns is bad, unless you are rich. That is hypocrisy.
 
captainamazing said:
OMG my cover is blown!
Its also illegal to walk around with a gun on your hip in public. The Police Act gives police the ability to do things like that so they dont need to unlock their pistol cases, locate their ammo, load the mags and find the key for their trigger locks when things get dicey.

If people want to find examples of hypocrisy in our government that wasnt the best example. Turdeau gets the security of armed protection 24/7. Because hes rich and important. We get to call police AFTER we get robbed/raped/assaulted, because protecting ourselves with guns is bad, unless you are rich. That is hypocrisy.
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All I'm saying is he left the windows of the cruiser wide open and walked the 30 yards into the gas station to pay. That was wrong.

As far as not being able to defend my family and home. Come try and harm them and see what happens. Your odds are absolute zero, you're not walking away.
 
This chit has got to stop - Hollywood North is glorifying mass tragedies someone with a twisted mind may think hey this will be cool:

Metrolinx performs largest disaster simulation at Union Station Sunday overnight
The simulation which involved an assailant with an automatic weapon, a fire on the train platform, 150 volunteer actors and multiple casualties was the largest, most complex exercise ever held at Union Station.

^^^a headline in the Hamilton Spectator online^^^

Just what we need right now more fuel for the fire
 
One thing that we have to here if we are going to save our guns is to overcome "cancel culture": https://www.cbc.ca/radio/checkup/ha...dialogue-from-occurring-expert-says-1.5345798

If a poster doesn't have the cojones for outright rebellion acts or can't bring themselves to post in the manner that reflects "how we roll here" they are snuffed out.

The "snuffies" move on to other things and the "snuffers" are left to play until the results come home to roost and they end up drinking their bathwater.

Give free and unfettered debate of new ideas a chance. Many newbies coming on here and we should encourage their thoughts along different lines that haven't been tried yet.

I think that is what Wolverine is looking for more than a rehash of why we think the Liberals are bad along with the usual howling at the moon.
 
IvoB said:
This chit has got to stop - Hollywood North is glorifying mass tragedies someone with a twisted mind may think hey this will be cool:

Metrolinx performs largest disaster simulation at Union Station Sunday overnight
The simulation which involved an assailant with an automatic weapon, a fire on the train platform, 150 volunteer actors and multiple casualties was the largest, most complex exercise ever held at Union Station.

^^^a headline in the Hamilton Spectator online^^^

Just what we need right now more fuel for the fire
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So what do we do about it???

How about countering that with a headline like "Canadian gun owners join CMHA and Veterans Affairs in a massive effort to reduce suicide from all causes and an emphasis on helping those who served resulting in PTSD as a hidden wound"?
 
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