M10x FAILURES

Travis Bickle said:
It's funny you say that. SKS was my first semi auto carbine rifle. Years ago. I started chasing the new NR semi autos as they came out slowly. Sold my trusty old Russian and started with the AR180B. Great gun; crazy expensive and no spare parts. Then the XCR, decent gun; over 3k back then, very bad balance and terrible accuracy. T97, good solid design; nothing but feeding problems. Absolute jam o magic. They bastardized the mag release and really mucked it up converting it to our market laws and 5.56mm. Tried the Tavor still on the bullpup bug, insanely expensive and terrible terrible accuracy. Even for a semi auto blaster. Good reliability.
I had a new 582 series mini14. Rear sight was the worst design I've ever seen on a rifle. It was very reliable, decent price and far more accurate than it gets credit for. One of the first ones I was truly impressed with price to value ratio. WK180C.....sold the mini to buy it. Had a first run example. Had every single problem it could possibly have. Feeding, chamber, inside receiver getting chewed away, trigger was atrocious, horrible customer service...just sh*t.

After all that I went back on the EE and picked up a mint Chinese SKS. Put a set of tech sights on it and a home trigger job and I realized after all that money and time wasted on NR f*ckery, my old friend was always the SKS.
I still think bang for buck it's the best NR semi auto in the country by a mile and a half.
After all that and a few more in between it was the two rifles that have the biggest hater fan base that impressed me the most by far, SKS and the mini 14.
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+1 I agree 100%
I was really liking my wi180 but it suffered a broken gas piston and IMO it’s a design flaw that caused the breakage
It broke right where it’s machined down to the skinny rod, broke clean off, why couldn’t they machine it so it tapers down instead of it being cut straight? And make the rod thicker!
Stupid design it will break there again I’m sure of it
Rifle only has about a hundred rounds through it when it broke
Now look at the sks, no way the gas piston rod will bend or break it’s built tough
Kodiak did provide good cs and sent me a new piston rod but I can see it failing again unfortunately
 
My first gun was a swissarms classic green. I didnt know how special it was until i sold it to try other rifles.
Its funny, a lot of the guns you had issues with i tinkered the crap out of till they ran and shot decent. That type 97 was my favorite semi auto .223 next to my pe90. Had to file the feed ramps, and tweak mags but man it ran good and the accuracy wasnt half bad.

The only true semiautomatic lemmings i bought was my first mini 14, RFB and famea542.
 
we all mature from wood stock/ gun as is to plastic booba crap and then to black rifles and then finally back to unmodified wooden stock sks

that's maturity and everybody has to go through these stages. a beginner, if believes right away in non-modified rifles, limits himself to axiomatic dogmatic thinking, deprivates his life from valuable experience and skill grow up process.

so if somebody tells a beginner shooter "Rifle is fine, do not modify it", it is true only for experienced shooter, don't listen, travel through stages, kill rifles, waste money until you grow up into the stage when you tell people around "rifle is fine".. but then, if you are wise and clever, say that phrase, but do not expect young shooters listen to you if they are true endeavoring guys

I am back to wooden SKS after more than 10 years of experimenting, I remain open for experiments, but wood stock sks is the one I will trust my life on, and in SHTF it is not AR (capricious dirt hating thing with millions parts), not VZ58 (no matter how common are mags you will run out, believe me, also if I loose backpack, no cleaning kit on VZ58 sucks).

I may consider T81, but need to shoot more of it to conclude (ak mags will flood Canada via US in case of massive shtf, because there will be no border, and as we know, in US VZ58 mags are rare, thus ak mags is an easy find/mod for T81). I may consider taking SKS-KD instead of T81 only as a second choice. I will grab my ruger for wife and JW2000 with already 8 caliber inserts I have for it (will go to my backpack), done

I yes, will give M10x to my enemy.
 
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Travis Bickle said:
It's funny you say that. SKS was my first semi auto carbine rifle. Years ago. I started chasing the new NR semi autos as they came out slowly. Sold my trusty old Russian and started with the AR180B. Great gun; crazy expensive and no spare parts. Then the XCR, decent gun; over 3k back then, very bad balance and terrible accuracy. T97, good solid design; nothing but feeding problems. Absolute jam o magic. They bastardized the mag release and really mucked it up converting it to our market laws and 5.56mm. Tried the Tavor still on the bullpup bug, insanely expensive and terrible terrible accuracy. Even for a semi auto blaster. Good reliability.
I had a new 582 series mini14. Rear sight was the worst design I've ever seen on a rifle. It was very reliable, decent price and far more accurate than it gets credit for. One of the first ones I was truly impressed with price to value ratio. WK180C.....sold the mini to buy it. Had a first run example. Had every single problem it could possibly have. Feeding, chamber, inside receiver getting chewed away, trigger was atrocious, horrible customer service...just sh*t.

After all that I went back on the EE and picked up a mint Chinese SKS. Put a set of tech sights on it and a home trigger job and I realized after all that money and time wasted on NR f*ckery, my old friend was always the SKS.
I still think bang for buck it's the best NR semi auto in the country by a mile and a half.
After all that and a few more in between it was the two rifles that have the biggest hater fan base that impressed me the most by far, SKS and the mini 14.
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Yup. Lots of nice stuff out there but some rifles just dont fail and cost has nothing to do with it. Sks, mini 14, VZ and m14 will always have your back!! Type 81 looks like it could hold it's own but I've never owned one. I miss my minis though.
 
...and the fanboys are predictably absent from this thread. They had quite a lot to say awhile back. I guess eating crow makes you lose your voice.
 
LordEvilPepper said:
My first gun was a swissarms classic green. I didnt know how special it was until i sold it to try other rifles.
Its funny, a lot of the guns you had issues with i tinkered the crap out of till they ran and shot decent. That type 97 was my favorite semi auto .223 next to my pe90. Had to file the feed ramps, and tweak mags but man it ran good and the accuracy wasnt half bad.

The only true semiautomatic lemmings i bought was my first mini 14, RFB and famea542.
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Oh I've tinkered guns to work brother!
But it always pains me that you have to do exactly that. Dont get me wrong, I love working on guns, cars, small engines etc
Its actually my primary hobbies.
I always have at least one full restoration project of old forsaken 22s and shotguns I bring back from the grave and sell just to break even.

It just says a lot about what we pay for these NR toys. The big, wide chasm between price tag and out of the box reliability and quality you know? That's the point. Quality for price is shaky at best up in Kanada.
Imagine applying this to any other consumer item that costs you thousands of dollars. Like buying a 2k high end Sony tv, hooking it all up and then having to open it up and solder the processing board and ##### with it to make it play Die Hard in color instead of black and white....

Also I forgot a few lol I will tip my hat to the CZ858. But only when they were coming in around the 700 dollar price. It was top notch. Sadly going prohib real soon and prices went into the 1400 after they were reversed to NR temporarily lol
The type 81 I owned for a bit. Very rugged. Very short sight radius. Lack of any spare parts. My Chinese SKS can outshoot easily for shooting steel out to 300m.
I sold it due to divorce. But out of the box it was a tank just ready to take it hard and dirty.

I was also a long time fan of the norc m14. But like you said pepper, if there was a single gun I spent more time and money to iron out the kinks out of the box I cant think of one lol

I crawled back to SKS on hands and knees like a post struggle session peasant begging for forgiveness :D
 
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IMPORTANT UPDATE:
M+M industries initially said that I am to blame for handle flying away from rifle while shooting. Here is their original response:
"We do not offer the original version of the charging handle. Please reference the sheet enclosed with your M10X manual to ensure that the charging handle in properly installed and locked. If the charging handle is locked in position, it will not come out of the bolt carrier when firing."

After I told them how unhappy I am and sent them youtube video proof, that it's a faulty design, they are sending me a handle (in fact they already sent it by USPS). I told them that it better works, otherwise, their Customer Service finally acted appropriately, but the design and engineering department has to be fired. If it works then it was that specific rifle, but still design has to change to the original hidden-press with pullet button and there should be a more secure design of the hook, the handle relies on So finally, their customer service acted as it was supposed to after the first e-mail I sent them. vBlogging has some power

In regards to magazines:
"During test firing, we use various magazines, both plastic and steel. The Croatian magazines are known to be an issue. AK Operators Union has a video of six different rifles, and only one will accept the brand new Croatian magazines he tries. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlS_TCwB8sM

Standard AK magazines need to be modified to work in a Type 81, so the type 81 magazines do not fit well on most AK’s. If you search “type 81 mags on an ak” the first thing that comes up is how to modify them to fit."
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PECHENEG said:
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IMPORTANT UPDATE:
M+M industries initially said that I am to blame for handle flying away from rifle while shooting. Here is their original response:
"We do not offer the original version of the charging handle. Please reference the sheet enclosed with your M10X manual to ensure that the charging handle in properly installed and locked. If the charging handle is locked in position, it will not come out of the bolt carrier when firing."

After I told them how unhappy I am and sent them youtube video proof, that it's a faulty design, they are sending me a handle (in fact they already sent it by USPS). I told them that it better works, otherwise, their Customer Service finally acted appropriately, but the design and engineering department has to be fired. If it works then it was that specific rifle, but still design has to change to the original hidden-press with pullet button. So finally, their customer service acted as it was supposed to after the first e-mail I sent them. vBlogging has some power
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Sounds like Kodiak Def telling me it's my STANAG mags that are faulty with my 180c not the rifle....
The mags that work in every single other AR pattern STANAG magazine rifle I own and have owned over the years.

Finally came to the realization that I was actually the one being stupid. Stupid because I was expecting quality products for my money. Stupid because I was expecting that if I buy a product and it's s**t, that the manufacturer would make it right on THEIR dime not MINE. Stupid most of all because I kept rolling the dice and expecting different results! lol

Gun life got way better for me when I stopped playing ball.

The old "Fool me once"....
 
Travis Bickle said:
Sounds like Kodiak Def telling me it's my STANAG mags that are faulty with my 180c not the rifle....
The mags that work in every single other AR pattern STANAG magazine rifle I own and have owned over the years.

Finally came to the realization that I was actually the one being stupid. Stupid because I was expecting quality products for my money. Stupid because I was expecting that if I buy a product and it's s**t, that the manufacturer would make it right on THEIR dime not MINE. Stupid most of all because I kept rolling the dice and expecting different results! lol

Gun life got way better for me when I stopped playing ball.

The old "Fool me once"....
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Exactly same feeling.
MANUFACTURER HAS TO SPECIFICALLY TEST MAGS, it is a given, why I have to do that?
Also, if certain mags are not working, customer has to know about that.
Moreover, if M+M, for example, specifically know that Croatian mags are a problem WTF sell the rifle with them and not with P-mags?

Same question for Kodiak re: 180 you are asking
On the same note, Kodiak have not tested all available (on Canadian market) AK mags or have not delivered this info to me and was selling SKS-KD with IMI mags, which were working 70% of the time, and with SKS it has to be 100%, so I had to go through dozens of different mags, film video, finally figuring it out and making free work/ pub for Kodiak without even a single thank you....
 
You know......I look at a lot of these new black rifles hitting the market,....and really wanting to buy one.

But by the time Ive made up my mind to purchase it......I find out that they are junk.

I'm so glad I dont dive right in to all these Expensive crapy rifles.

good old SKS. bang bang forever, and No handles flying off.


I bought a crapy keltec SU-16 a while back.

I was terrified to shoot it because of all the plastic. I paid around $600 for it.

But ya know what.....It worked like a champ and didnt break or fall apart......"I still think its a crapy rifle though: LOL
.....and it had LIFE TIME warranty. OH BOY.........
 
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There are plenty of well built for the price modern rifles out there. Just gotta do your research before buying. And like demonstrated in this thread, test the newly purchased item throughly while you can still hold the manufacturer accountable.
 
Murray 3-D said:
There are plenty of well built for the price modern rifles out there. Just gotta do your research before buying. And like demonstrated in this thread, test the newly purchased item throughly while you can still hold the manufacturer accountable.
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Totally agree, I bought M10x just to complete my collection of AK-style rifles available in Canada in 7.62x39/5.45x39 which are clearly derivatives of AK. For example. I do not have M305a, because it is not an AK derivative and I am not going to buy XCR-Ls because of the same reason. Finnish ones are in .308 and too expensive. At this stage I have completed my collection with an unfortunate M10x, but that's OK, I will continue working on it, doing appropriate improvements
 
If it was about bringing it to market at the lowest possible cost they would have left out the DMR safety and stuck with the original price.
 
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