Sounds like anti hunters are getting into decission making positions and dividing to conquer .next they will be imposing gun restrictions by caliber and range restrictions.our society is losing its outlook on traditions and as you can see hysteria and imposing there ideals on others.we as canadians are being influenced by mass media with the internet.those that got the doe run the show
BC Proposal to BAN Scopes on Crossbows
- Thread starter IronNoggin
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TheCoachZed
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Why shoot 100 yards when I can only see to 25 yards anyway?
Anyone who shoots a crossbow to 100 yards at a deer is an idiot. I doubt many people could ethically take deer at 50. Scopes are not the problem.
Anyway, anyone who wants to crap all over crossbows should also be willing to get rid of compounds by the same logic.
prairie lover
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O my goodness. So your gonna tell me a crossbow and bow are on level ground in the deer woods? Seriously?
Point out the nonsense. I'd love to know.
So crossbows prevents you from getting excited or getting buck fever when hunting? And in your experience, crossbow shooters don’t mess around with custom arrows, different weight, different broadheads and all shoots the speed that’s listed on the side of the box?
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prairie lover
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I am not crapping all over crossbows. I have no issue with them. I have had a very expensive one in the past. Got rid of it due to manitobas seasons. Can only use a crossbow in muzzleloader or rifle season. Not in archery. My point all along was leave crossbows alone scope wise but give them there own season. There nothing like shooting a bow.
prairie lover
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prairie lover
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- southern MB
Yes crossbows shoot close to or right at there rated speeds. The draw length does not change. The draw weight does not change. Arrow weight may change yes. The high end crossbows are pretty specific on the arrows they shoot. They are not super lightweight.
I'll say it again having put a few thousand arrows through a crossbow and putting a few thousand a year through a bow there are 100 times more things that can go wrong in the heat of the moment with a bow. Form mistakes. Take grip for one example. Too much heel arrow goes high. To much throat arrow goes low. Torque left or right. The grip has to be perfect. Or else. Same with the anchor point. Has to be perfect. Follow through has to be perfect. Any smart archer knows this and will adjust his max self imposed limit to his abilities. Were not all levi Morgan here. I'm not against crossbows nor scopes on crossbows I'm just wondering what there doing in archery season to begin with. Never happen in manitoba I guarantee it.
Well from your description of shooting a bow they sound pretty hard to shoot accurately to make an ethical kill, maybe it’s not the crossbows they should be worried about.
Are a .30-30 M94 carbine and a .338 Lapua bench rifle on level playing field when deer hunting during the rifle season??? They are both used, both legal... they are just choices.
You seen to be operating on the assumption that every sportsman is out to take utmost (and perhaps unfair) advantage of the regulations to trump other hunters... your argument sounds a lot like jealousy... perhaps you would like other hunters to wrestle their deer to the ground while you get to use a scoped .30/06.
These are all just choices... everyone is entitled to their preference within the rules of fair chase... surely a scoped crossbow is as fair chase as a scoped rifle.
I have been bowhunting for more than four decades, from homemade selfbows to cammed compounds, never hunted with a crossbow in my life... but for many years my father could only physically handle a crossbow and it got us out together during bowseason for a few extra precious years... for that I am a supporter of crossbows, scoped or otherwise.
People seriously need to stop being so short sighted and take a look at the bigger picture... hunting in Canada is increasingly becoming a fringe pursuit, and will come under increasing pressure... we need as many participants as possible... if scope crossbows get more folks in the woods, we should all be welcoming.
prairie lover
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I understand where your coming from. If crossbows suddenly became legal for archery here I'd have one ready to go for next season. I'm not one of the ones pretending there is no difference. I know better.
One can get disability permits here so your father could maybe have gotten a permit to use one here. But I know 2 people who tried due to bad shoulders and were denied. I dont know what it would take to get that permit.
My solution for bc crossbow scope problem was simply to have a crossbow season. There is zero reason you couldnt also use a how durring crossbow season if you please.
You just made my point... you are looking for whatever advantage you can and you assume that others are doing the same... crossbows have always been legal here in Ontario during the bowseason, and I have never used one... why? Because I am not looking for every advantage to kill an animal, quite the opposite... I am choosing intentionally disadvantaged equipment to maximize my enjoyment of the pursuit and my sense of accomplishment at it's culmination.
When I chose to hunt with a homemade ash self bow and homemade arrows during the archery season, it did not even occur to me to begrudge those that chose to hunt the archery season with scoped crossbows... how does their equipment choice affect me? How does it affect you? Are you afraid you can't kill a deer with crossbow hunters afield?
prairie lover
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Not at all but with the few days a year I get to hunt I'll take the advantage if there is one.
thats honestly one of the dumbest things Iv ever read ahahahaha
Yes, I am very aware that this would only apply to archery season. I still think this is stupid, and more overreach and useless government interference. Hows about hunters be left alone to fill their freezers and see to the needs of their families.
In the OP it discusses the fact that when these archery seasons were put in place technology available at the time limited effective use to much shorter ranges than what modern crossbows are capable of, and not allowing scopes would help limit their range. Of course that seems to ignore the similar technological advancements in compound bows, and also ignores the fact that a scope doesn't make a crossbow shoot any farther.
Remember when long bowers hated recurves and everyone hated compounds. Flint lock shooters didnt like caplock owners and everyone hated in-lines. It doesn’t have anything to do with ethics; but everything to with people guarding their turf. If there was no special season nobody would care what someone else uses.
Game departments should get out of the weapon business and stick to the bag limit business.
Game departments should get out of the weapon business and stick to the bag limit business.
It should be noted (and is noted in the OP) that archery seasons in BC are generally more liberal with antler restrictions - any buck for mule deer, any bull for elk, where they have 4 and 6 pt restrictions in the rifle season that immediately follows.
The spear ban is also ridiculous. Talk about solving a problem that does not exist.
So we have a proposed scope ban because some people have cocked crossbows in vehicles and a proposed spear ban because there is almost nobody using a spear to hunt big game.
As an added bonus, they listed blowguns in their rationale. Blow Guns have been prohibited in Canada for about 40 years.
There are no prohibitions in place for hunting big game with alternative or primitive weapons; hunting big game (except for bison) with air guns, slingshot, spear, bolos, blowguns, atlatl, etc. is not currently prohibited.
If cocked crossbows are indeed the problem, then deal with the problem rather than trying to pull some sneaky "it's for conservation" move. If the proposal was to make the penalty for a cocked crossbow in a vehicle a $1000 fine plus forfeiture of crossbow, the proposal would likely have support.
So we have a proposed scope ban because some people have cocked crossbows in vehicles and a proposed spear ban because there is almost nobody using a spear to hunt big game.
As an added bonus, they listed blowguns in their rationale. Blow Guns have been prohibited in Canada for about 40 years.
There are no prohibitions in place for hunting big game with alternative or primitive weapons; hunting big game (except for bison) with air guns, slingshot, spear, bolos, blowguns, atlatl, etc. is not currently prohibited.
If cocked crossbows are indeed the problem, then deal with the problem rather than trying to pull some sneaky "it's for conservation" move. If the proposal was to make the penalty for a cocked crossbow in a vehicle a $1000 fine plus forfeiture of crossbow, the proposal would likely have support.
The OP says the issue is increased range due to technological advances over time. Where are you getting the idea that it's because of cocked crossbows in cars?
TheCoachZed
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Why give them their own season when bow season works already? Sounds like a silly idea to me.
