Where have all the Winchester Model 12's gone?

Fine guns eventually get noticed by collectors. K31’s were the same. There was lots of them cheap until word got out how nice they were and the demand went up. Caliber magazine ran a piece on the Model 12 which helped raise awareness on them. They’re very popular amongst collectors in the US as well.
 
The following for them in Canada died a long time ago. Sub-gauges,magnums, target grades and high grades are the ones collectors gravitate towards most and are especially sought after and fetching top dollar stateside.

Yep the reason I only kept a 16, 20 and 28ga when reducing the herd
Rest were not worth listing to sell :(
Sadly I have been seeing some end up in the rebar heap at the cop shops as of late as us old timers pass on :(
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Keep your eyes open. Watch the auctions. They're around, and probably bargains, given their quality, versus what they sell for.
 
There are some around ... I have the one that I want, a nice pre-64 12 gauge trap gun that I like to shoot periodically. I also have a 20 gauge field gun, that I've never shot, which I would sell.

I know of a trap gun that is for sale.

There are lots around, but not many of them for sale, other than the 12 gauge field guns. One must know what they are doing to make sure you get what you are paying for with any collector grade guns, as many of them are not original.

They are worth a lot more in the US as stated above.
 
Ordinary 12 gauge plain barrel Field Model 12 guns have not been selling when priced as low as $250 at recent gun shows. Maybe owners have decided the market is dead.
There is a ready market, maybe not peak prices, for Heavy Duck, Trap, or small bore guns.
 
The first M12's were offered in 1912 but only in 20 gauge. In 1914 the 12 ga. and 16 ga were offered and quickly became the work horse from 1912 to the 1960's. From the 2 million M12's built so many have been rode hard and put up wet but ones in excellent condition still attract buyers especially the smaller gauges, pre-war guns and 2-pin, 3-pin and solid rib models and open choke guns. Trap, skeet, black diamond and again the pre-war models hold quite a premium.

Because so many were used so much for so long that so many have begun to show their age with excessive bolt droop, no more notches remaining in the take-up sleeve, after market recoil pads, bluing all but gone, stock and forearm worn and cracked with these guns being more the usual than the exception so linger on the market for $250 to $400. Knowledgeable M12 buyers know the cost to restore these guns and prefer to buy original in very good to excellent condition.

The old benchmark of: 1. Rarity 2. Condition 3. Originality all factored into the state of the economy still holds true today.

The pre-war guns with solid ribs, 2-pin ribs, skeet, trap, black diamond, pigeon grade, smaller gauges, open chokes and especially original 28 gauge guns still go for high dollar and go quick so most folks don't even get to see them.
 
One thing i forgot to mention is another way to put a price on a well worn M12 is it's total value in parts. A $250 beater can earn 3 times that, or more, on ebay.
 
What do you mean by 2 pin or 3 pin?

A 2-pin rib is a vented rib that came out early in production and ended around 1954. It's an attractive and sought after factory vented rib but became very costly to produce because the rib itself fastened to and over posts that were milled into the barrel. Now these posts were turned down on Winchester's offset lathe and required a lot of handwork, by skilled tradesmen, to produce the rib posts. Then the rib itself was milled and machined, from a solid piece of Winchester steel, producing the rib and the outside posts that slid over the barrel posts. Where the magazine tube ends the rib was secured to the barrel posts with "Two-Pins" giving it the 2-pin rib name.

Around 1954 the cost was too extreme to be competitive with Remington's 870, that used stamped parts, WWII technology and bolt lock-up in the barrel extension. So Winchester made a deal with Simmons, who had perfected the doughnut post rib, that used rib post brazed to the barrel with just rib itself sliding over the posts. This was first done at the Winchester factory with Simmon's supervision. This shaved a considerable amount off the retail price with the 2-pin rib still available for a couple years after but at a steeper price.

A couple years later they trimmed the cost again using Simmon's round post rib. Now these Simmon's ribs that were installed at the Winchester factory are the real Winchester deal and considered correct but the same ribs installed at the Simmon's factory are so marked on the side of the rib and are not considered to be original Winchester and M12 experts adjust the current value considerably.

By the Late 1950's Winchester still under the gun for production cost increases compared to retail selling price came out with the "New Winchester Vented Rib" referred to as the "Three-Pin Rib". The rib posts, instead being milled as part of the barrel, were brazed on to the barrel to hold the rib that was secured using 3-pins. The 3-pin rib M12's are desirable and hold a considerable premium over a plain barrel but do not command near the price as the original "Two-Pin M12's.

When I have some time I'll take some pictures of some of my M12's. I've being using M12's since I was a boy and when I got older began buying more of them but the last 10 or so years I've culled them down to vented guns, smaller gauges in high condition as a priority. One I found, early this year, is a 1948 20 gauge, solid rib, Skeet marked gun with WS-1 choke with beautiful figured wood. The gun is still on the original take-up notch with absolutely no bolt droop and in excellent original condition with original buttplate. Now these are the ones you want to hold out for. They're expensive but they don't make them anymore.
 
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