CF Small Arms Program

The pistol thing is downright stupid. Their order of 8000 is a drop in the bucket for most brand named manufacturers.

The french just went out and bought Glock. Seriously, all the striker pistols are about the same. They are so cheap and essentially disposable items, not worth the resources to manage.
 
JBD said:
Anyone else think that a 6 x Scope on a gpmg is not a good idea. Yes it can increase your hit probability at extended range, but with a limited field of view you might not see the soldiers you are providing covering fire for.
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Personally I would loved to have a 4-6x optic on the C6 when I was in, or even an Elcan. When shooting out 800m, mainly to observe the splash and make corrections.
 
DaveMachine said:
https://web.archive.org/web/2018041...ying-new-7-62-mm-general-purpose-machine-guns

If you believe the number above, you looking at roughly $27,000 per gun (plus parts, spare ####, etc).

https://www.guns.com/news/2012/02/10/colts-m240l-the-myth-of-the-86000-machine-gun

If you believe these numbers, the US is paying about $9000 /gun (which probably includes spares/parts/etc.
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I wouldn’t be surprised. Everything the government does is insanely expensive. Wasn’t there an American contractor selling toilet seats to the US gov for like $5000 because nobody checked the cost breakdown before blindly signing off?
 
I am so glad I withdrew my application to join the Forces in my 20's. I have big respect for the folks who put up with such a joke of a procurement process and shoddy equipment.
 
Wait and see what the U.S. military buys and then buy the same. Let them do the R and D and beta testing.

I would think our doctrine and goals are very similar when it comes to military small arms. Stop the agonizing and deliberation over what is essentially chump change. We have a tendency to second guess ourselves to death.
 
PSE said:
Wait and see what the U.S. military buys and then buy the same. Let them do the R and D and beta testing.
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Lol right if that was the case we would have already had m9s ,abrams , f 35s and hmmmvs
Canadians have a hatred for anything american and will cut thier nose off to spite thier face just to show how” different” they are
 
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shortandlong said:
Lol right if that was the case we would have already had m9s ,abrams , f 35s and hmmmvs
Canadians have a hatred for anything american and will cut thier nose off to spite thier face just to show how” different” they are
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Canadians can be so arrrogant, it's obscene.
 
OkayShooter said:
Kinda a lame excuse.
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I can think about a 4 dozen better

One of the kids i knew from the time he was a private ( he wasnt under me ) got an made corporal and “crossed the bridge “ We were in a local bar saying good bye when an airforce officer asked “ why not stay and fly for canada supporting canadian troops “he shot back “ i have a better chance to support canadian troops flying in the USA

Alot of the corporals for life laughed at him but the kid did it

Last i heard he flew apaches , released and now flys civiy this was about 12 years or so ago


any young people
Ask me i tell them to go reserve , quit when you want and make more money in the long run in the private sector its not like your serving the people..... your serving the masters
 
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Milofficer said:
Still no word on other systems...

Did you guys know that we have no ground based air defense assets? No shoulder-fired missiles. No AAA. No SAMs of any kind except for those mounted on ships. The Army is basically at Pre-WW1 levels of AA defense.
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There is a bright side of having no AA defenses. At least we will never accidentally shoot a passenger jet out of the sky.
 
We no longer use the Eryx as the missiles are no longer made by the French manufacture.

As to the titanium M240L, the Americans have discovered that the metal expands and contracts to such a point that when fired the bolt carrier goes out of alignment. Thus they don’t issue them to units specialize in arctic warfare.
 
Ebola said:
There is a bright side of having no AA defenses. At least we will never accidentally shoot a passenger jet out of the sky.
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Sounds more like an itchy trigger finger kind of problem to me. I wouldn't be surprised if the shootdown was the result of someone poorly trained and over-excited. I doubt we'll ever know the truth of it, as it seems like Iran is already moving to cover things up.

Either way, coming out of the last decade, the Army has some serious equipment shortfalls to address. They need to select a new dismounted ATGM, and fast. There are a lot of good options out there (Javelin, Bill2, SPIKE SR etc). They need to select some flavour of short ranged SAM at a bare minimum for local air defense. A MANPADS system would have the smallest logistics chain and could go online much faster than other systems. I doubt we'd ever make a serious investment in a longer-ranged ground based SAM system like Patriot, and I doubt we'd invest in a AAA system like the 35mm / Skyguard combo again. So we ought to look at things like Stinger, RBS-70 NG, StarStreak etc.
 
Milofficer said:
Sounds more like an itchy trigger finger kind of problem to me. I wouldn't be surprised if the shootdown was the result of someone poorly trained and over-excited.
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Human Factors is an extremely interesting subject. Stress, can do all sorts of things to people - and in this instant, a stressed out individual apparently had 10 seconds to decide whether the radar plot was friend or foe. The information was there to show the PS752 was a civilian airliner, but the decision was made in the other direction...

The Vincennes crew had more time, and still went to the fire a missile side of the equation - and they had all the information presented to them to identify the "threat" as it really was, a civilian airliner.

As for Canada having or not having AAA/SAMs, when was the last time a war was fought in which our side did not have complete air superiority and supremacy from day one - or even from before the shooting started? Not that we may not be involved in some future conflict in which ground based air defences are necessary, but up until now we haven't needed it. Remember that Generals are always ready to fight the last war, it's a time honoured tradition.
 
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