Ducks Unlimited vs angry gunowners
- Thread starter scott_r
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Gunowners need to take responsibility. Not rely on conservation groups.
How many pro gun groups/associations are in Canada? Three? Four?
Compared to the big one in the US.
Tells me canadians would rather argue, point fingers and blame than get together on a united front.
Ducks Unlimited was the sole wetland conservation group for over 50yrs. Instead of bickering and blaming they got it done.
Anyone who is a land owner should stay as far away from these guys as you can. They work hand in hand with the Conservation Authority and MOE. Once you sign an agreement with them you will never be able to do anything with your property. If you get a wetlands designation on your property, goood luck selling it. You get all the enjoyment of paying for it but none of the use of it.
First, they will sweat talk you by telling you they can reduce your taxes on a portion of your property. Then they ask to have the CA come out and survey the property and see what areas to designate WL. As soon as they do that you are screwed and no longer in control of your property. If you do hop in bed with them, you will never be able to farm, build or harvest timber in that area ( they may grow the area too). By signing on with them you let them come on your property any time they like and if they dont like what you are doing with your property you are in for some big fines. Many property owners have learned the hard way around here and can not get permits without DU,MOE or CA signing off.
Now it is great for hunters. They don't have to pay anything to raise and feed the animals that will live in that area. Mean while the farmers in the area have an increase in crop damage, livestock attacks and disease spread. Most farmers do support wildlife in their area but now are starting to see its more about government control then saving bambi.
DU is not an organization that supports landowners or gunowners. They are for government control of both because they believe you can't be trusted to do the right thing with both.
First, they will sweat talk you by telling you they can reduce your taxes on a portion of your property. Then they ask to have the CA come out and survey the property and see what areas to designate WL. As soon as they do that you are screwed and no longer in control of your property. If you do hop in bed with them, you will never be able to farm, build or harvest timber in that area ( they may grow the area too). By signing on with them you let them come on your property any time they like and if they dont like what you are doing with your property you are in for some big fines. Many property owners have learned the hard way around here and can not get permits without DU,MOE or CA signing off.
Now it is great for hunters. They don't have to pay anything to raise and feed the animals that will live in that area. Mean while the farmers in the area have an increase in crop damage, livestock attacks and disease spread. Most farmers do support wildlife in their area but now are starting to see its more about government control then saving bambi.
DU is not an organization that supports landowners or gunowners. They are for government control of both because they believe you can't be trusted to do the right thing with both.
Know who else is not getting involved?
https://www.goabc.org/
https://www.apos.ab.ca/
https://scpo.ca/
https://mloa.com/
https://www.canada-adventures-guide.com/Ontario/hunting-outfitters.html
https://www.pourvoiries.com/en/
http://onestopoutfitters.com/Prince_Edward_Island.html
http://nboa.nb.ca/category/news/
http://www.nloa.ca/
https://www.nsguides.ca/
https://www.yukonoutfittersassociation.com/outfitter-directory
https://www.huntnwt.com/hunting.html
https://destinationnunavut.ca/en/activities/hunting
https://www.goabc.org/
https://www.apos.ab.ca/
https://scpo.ca/
https://mloa.com/
https://www.canada-adventures-guide.com/Ontario/hunting-outfitters.html
https://www.pourvoiries.com/en/
http://onestopoutfitters.com/Prince_Edward_Island.html
http://nboa.nb.ca/category/news/
http://www.nloa.ca/
https://www.nsguides.ca/
https://www.yukonoutfittersassociation.com/outfitter-directory
https://www.huntnwt.com/hunting.html
https://destinationnunavut.ca/en/activities/hunting
Well if anything I'm certainly interested in whats going to happen moving forward. Definitely some good points as to why a lot are angry with Ducks Unlimited. 20 pages on this thread and its all been civil....wow!!
Cheers!!
Cheers!!
Ardent
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
At the risk of getting embroiled in an entirely different argument and sidetracked, I have to respond. This is looking at ones toes to try and know what’s on the horizon. Alberta, Saskatchewan, even Canada are too small of scales for the climate change argument, it had to be named climate change after folks couldn’t wrap their head around the fact though it may be cold outside the considerations are global.
The five warmest years on record have all occurred since 2010. The rate of warming from greenhouse gasses has shot up to ten times the most severe increases we’ve found through ice cores, paleo-dendrochronology, and sediment cores (I’ve worked supporting sediment coring of ancient lake beds as a curious onlooker). Then consider ice packs and the drastic difference in only a century, or that temperatures across the Antarctic peninsula are skyrocketing whilst ice packs tumble.
People will try and say the earth has always been in a seesaw of climate change, cooling and warming cycles. I agree but never this rapid or severe in any record we can find, and the fundamental problem with this argument that it’s a natural cycle is everything we know about human civilisation has been built in this climate. We absolutely depend on this climate for our crops, and continued survival at these population levels- a population which includes our families. Finally we can unequivocally prove we’re adding the carbon to the atmosphere, and I don’t try and exclude myself. Isotope ratios of carbon found in fossil fuels are the same ratios rising in the atmosphere in perfect correlation. Mercury in sea life is also rising in correlation with its emission in fossil fuels.
Finally, say each of us is wrong and consider both outcomes, I say we reduce our emissions and you say steam ahead and keep increasing. If you’re wrong, the worst case consequences are far worse than those pushing for reduced emissions. Ducks Unlimited isn’t off message to be concerned when their mandate is wetland and wildlife conservation, they’re dead on. I’ll brace for all the “but it was cold here two weeks ago” folks.
Find me a weather station that shows 2010-2019 was warmer than 1910-1919.
Alberta and Saskatchewan are bigger than western Europe. Canada is something like 1/15th of the earth surface and is not warming up, this is plenty to draw conclusions. It is always somewhere else; Antartica, the middle of the ocean, the upper atmosphere. Never here and now.
Alberta and Saskatchewan are bigger than western Europe. Canada is something like 1/15th of the earth surface and is not warming up, this is plenty to draw conclusions. It is always somewhere else; Antartica, the middle of the ocean, the upper atmosphere. Never here and now.
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Amen to this. I wonder how many have actually read the terms of the petition. It isn't about hunting or the guns most hunters use. It's about a ban on so called "military style assault firearms " which the self styled experts on this forum and others interpret to mean all guns. It's also about the buy back program and the use of OIC. Sadly the last word on an Internet forum (and apparently the right one) belongs to the person who stays at the key board the longest.
Ardent
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
It’s going to have to get harder than that, look global, as I already said, not for single points. This is every source on the NOAA’s database combined, this is how you see trends. Pick any month you want I just stayed with mid year by default.
It’s going to have to get harder than that, look global, as I already said, not for single points. This is every source on the NOAA’s database combined, this is how you see trends. Pick any month you want I just stayed with mid year by default.
That's not what I asked for, show me a weather station that recorded warmer values for 2010-2019 than for 1910-1919.
I'll give you an example, where I sit now it is 0°C, going back in time Feb 8, 1970 was 0°C, and Feb 8, 1920 was +5°C.
Hey, we are all outdoorsmen here, no need for name calling. Everyone’s opinion is counted for. The only finger I’m pointing at is the Federal Liberal Government. They started the cadence of the call with this issue, and will coerce laws down our throats by giving-in to small interest groups.
Ardent
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
If I find you a single weather station I’m giving you utterly useless information for a global perspective, as I’m receiving in return. You’re asking me to find information that fits your argument, and it doesn’t work that way, especially for global phenomena.
