Ducks Unlimited vs angry gunowners

rkm456 said:
So if you could go ahead and tell me where I said that DU should be lobbying for gun rights as I asked in the post you quoted that'd be great.
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Listen. I never intended to corner you as per saying that. So if you feel that way I apologize.
The entire backlash on DUC was because they were neutral on the e-petition, not promoting it. And certain gun owners, and businesses decided that DUC should become a gun rights advocate. I disagree. But I think you knew that.
 
Buckmastr said:
Listen. I never intended to corner you as per saying that. So if you feel that way I apologize.
The entire backlash on DUC was because they were neutral on the e-petition, not promoting it. And certain gun owners, and businesses decided that DUC should become a gun rights advocate. I disagree. But I think you knew that.
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Not everyone had an issue with them being neutral. Many of us have an issue with them being deceptive regarding their position. It's changed at least 3 times in the last 7 days.
 
rkm456 said:
Not everyone had an issue with them being neutral. Many of us have an issue with them being deceptive regarding their position. It's changed at least 3 times in the last 7 days.
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I don't have an issue because they are a wetland conservation group not a pro gun lobby group. They really had no business being dragged into this e-mess in the first place.
 
They are the largest wetland conservation group in the world. They are great at what they do because they are specific. They are neutral on gun politics, like I would expect the NFA to be on wetland conservation.
 
MiG25 said:
My interest isn't in a single location, but if 5 of the 10 warmest years were since 2010 as you claim, then 2010-2019 would be warmer than 1910-1919 in most places, yet you won't produce a single weather station that says this, yet claim it is proven.

I know you can't do it, because it isn't true.
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I mean this honestly and respectfully; there is utterly no point. I can google statistically meaningless information that agrees with my view, and a suddenly I’m no different than the people who say “It’s cold outside how about that climate change?” One point on one date means nothing, and one point over two limited year stretches is no better for global trends. It’s like pulling the days’ sales at the local 7-11 and looking for trends on the global economy. Dozens, hundreds, thousands of points and beyond that grow into millions of recordings suddenly do allow for trends.

So do atmospheric concentrations of greenhouse gasses. So does the earlier and earlier recession of pack ice, which happens to be occurring in both hemispheres, or rates of glacial recession in both hemispheres, presuming you’ve seen it too. Every, single big data set on all of these shows drastic change, driven by the and in correlation with compositions of carbon isotopes from fossil fuels. If you want to see real data start using databases like the NOAAs and looking globally. You’re never going to find anything looking at singular points, you’ll be looking through a microscope in search of the elephant in the room.

Climate change is very real but it’s more convenient to feel we know better and it’s all a hoax. It’s human scepticism which is often helpful but also can be very detrimental when applied to large, broad issues of long term impact. We’re terrible planners for beyond a lifetime, as we’re not wired to live all that long. I’m not going to bother arguing with you further as I can tell your mind is made, and you’re entitled to that in our free country. Consider it a victory if it feels like a win, but I’ll keep reading and observing. Funny how in 2020 you’re considered in the dark by many if you realise what we’re doing to our only planet and the stakes regarding that.

As for Ducks Unlimited, they’ll also continue past this argument and what many here may believe will rock their boat, but it won’t. They’ll be plugging away at their mandate of conservation in several years when this is just a bitter memory for many here. Most at Ducks Unlimited will have forgotten this by then.
 
Buckmastr said:
They are the largest wetland conservation group in the world. They are great at what they do because they are specific. They are neutral on gun politics, like I would expect the NFA to be on wetland conservation.
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So they are neutral on gun politics. Hm. That's odd because I could swear I read this statement form them some where.


DU strongly supports the right to bear arms and believes that with that right comes a responsibility to use firearms lawfully and safely. The ownership and use of firearms is intertwined with wildlife management and conservation in North America, and we strongly support hunting. Without hunters and recreational shooters and their financial contributions through hunting licenses and excise taxes on sporting arms, national conservation funding would be decimated.

https ://www.ducks.org/about-ducks-unlimited/du-statement-on-firearms

Keep bailing that sinking ship boys, I am sure you few remain skippers will keep it afloat.
 
1ABNDT said:
So they are neutral on gun politics. Hm. That's odd because I could swear I read this statement form them some where.


DU strongly supports the right to bear arms and believes that with that right comes a responsibility to use firearms lawfully and safely. The ownership and use of firearms is intertwined with wildlife management and conservation in North America, and we strongly support hunting. Without hunters and recreational shooters and their financial contributions through hunting licenses and excise taxes on sporting arms, national conservation funding would be decimated.

https ://www.ducks.org/about-ducks-unlimited/du-statement-on-firearms

Keep bailing that sinking ship boys, I am sure you few remain skippers will keep it afloat.
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DU Canada doesn't have the same policies as in the USA. It's obviously beyond my knowledge the reasons, but I do not question DUC because they are extremely effective. Even more so than a 160k e-petition that is trying to represent over 2 million licensed gun owners in a country of 38 million.
 
Buckmastr said:
I don't have an issue because they are a wetland conservation group not a pro gun lobby group. They really had no business being dragged into this e-mess in the first place.
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Again, if they'd taken a neutral position from the get go it wouldn't have bothered me in the least. Instead they tried to avoid facing questions and taking a public position because they knew (rightly or wrongly) that it wouldn't be popular. When they could no longer avoid answering questions they came out and said they didn't advocate for gun owners or hunters. When this angered the hunters who do the bulk of the organization's work, they then said "We have to be netural on guns, but we love hunters." Sadly, and to the credit of the malcontents, their position has continued to soften as the public pressure has continued to mount.

My issue with DU on this has nothing to do with gun ownership and everything to do with how they're treating their members, supporters, and to be honest their reckless diregard for how their behaviour is going to impact wetlands going forward. As I've said before, neither their funding or their volunteers are coming from dog walkers and hikers.
 
1ABNDT said:
So they are neutral on gun politics. Hm. That's odd because I could swear I read this statement form them some where.


DU strongly supports the right to bear arms and believes that with that right comes a responsibility to use firearms lawfully and safely. The ownership and use of firearms is intertwined with wildlife management and conservation in North America, and we strongly support hunting. Without hunters and recreational shooters and their financial contributions through hunting licenses and excise taxes on sporting arms, national conservation funding would be decimated.

https ://www.ducks.org/about-ducks-unlimited/du-statement-on-firearms

Keep bailing that sinking ship boys, I am sure you few remain skippers will keep it afloat.
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Are you knowingly representing quotes from the American Ducks Unlimited, as being from the Canadian?
 
Ardent said:
I mean this honestly and respectfully; there is utterly no point. I can google statistically meaningless information that agrees with my view, and a suddenly I’m no different than the people who say “It’s cold outside how about that climate change?” One point on one date means nothing, and one point over two limited year stretches is no better for global trends. It’s like pulling the days’ sales at the local 7-11 and looking for trends on the global economy. Dozens, hundreds, thousands of points and beyond that grow into millions of recordings suddenly do allow for trends.

So do atmospheric concentrations of greenhouse gasses. So does the earlier and earlier recession of pack ice, which happens to be occurring in both hemispheres, or rates of glacial recession in both hemispheres, presuming you’ve seen it too. Every, single big data set on all of these shows drastic change, driven by the and in correlation with compositions of carbon isotopes from fossil fuels. If you want to see real data start using databases like the NOAAs and looking globally. You’re never going to find anything looking at singular points, you’ll be looking through a microscope in search of the elephant in the room.

Climate change is very real but it’s more convenient to feel we know better and it’s all a hoax. It’s human scepticism which is often helpful but also can be very detrimental when applied to large, broad issues of long term impact. We’re terrible planners for beyond a lifetime, as we’re not wired to live all that long. I’m not going to bother arguing with you further as I can tell your mind is made, and you’re entitled to that in our free country. Consider it a victory if it feels like a win, but I’ll keep reading and observing. Funny how in 2020 you’re considered in the dark by many if you realise what we’re doing to our only planet and the stakes regarding that.

As for Ducks Unlimited, they’ll also continue past this argument and what many here may believe will rock their boat, but it won’t. They’ll be plugging away at their mandate of conservation in several years when this is just a bitter memory for many here. Most at Ducks Unlimited will have forgotten this by then.
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Still can't do it eh? It is entirely significant that you cannot google up a weather stations showing the 5 hottest years being in the last ten and compare it to the same station from 1910-1919.

Sounds like a religion with no evidence and the threat of fire and brimstone in the future if you don't tow the line.
 
Ardent said:
Are you knowingly representing quotes from the American Ducks Unlimited, as being from the Canadian?
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That would be misleading, deceptive and deceitful towards DUC. But that's what this Canadian pro-gun lynch mob had sunken to on the eve of a possible liberal gun ban.
 
MiG25 said:
Still can't do it eh? It is entirely significant that you cannot google up a weather stations showing the 5 hottest years being in the last ten and compare it to the same station from 1910-1919.

Sounds like a religion with no evidence and the threat of fire and brimstone in the future if you don't tow the line.
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I think you missed a bit, if my dismissal of the whole premise of your argument feels like a win for you I sincerely want you to enjoy it. :cheers:
 
Do ducks need Du? do hunters need them? Last time I looked ducks used any water from pools, ponds, puddles, any where with a bit of water. God knows Canada has lots of water all over Canada where they can live. I see them in ditches along the road in flooded fields, rivers everywhere, they are very resourceful and bring up young everywhere. DU is just a way for a few people to make a great living, that's my two cents.
 
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