Looking for help with a norinco 1897

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Hi folks,

Im looking for help finding a LH cartridge stop screw for my norinco 1987, i recently purchased one, and made myself a trench gun clone, disassembled, cleaned and tightened all the screws, but seemingly forgot to tighten the one on the cartridge stop screw. And yesterdsy lost mine while taking it out to shoot for the first time.

Ive been able to find the screw for the winchester 1897, but also find people saying that the winchesters are standard threading, while the norincos have metric threads.

Was wondering if anycome can confirm this for me so i dont waste my time and money on a part that wont fit, or if someone can point me in the direction of finding one that will work.

If i must ill locate a screw with the same threading and make my own with some delicate dremal work, but would prefer to save myself the effort.

Either way the 1897 is a total blast to take shooting and i hope to have it back up and running as soon as possible for my next outting!

Thanks in advance for any help!
 
The screw will have a metric pitch. Contact Marstar. They sell the Norinco 1897 and may be able to provide the information you need. Another possible source, is Numrich Arms. There is also Classic Old West Arms.
 
Once I had my gun set..I Put a drop of JB weld on the screw/pin head
Try Numrich gun parts... left is different from right
You can take the guns apart without removing the cartridge stop screws
 
Numrich has no stock of the ones for the norinco copy, and assuming the thread pitches are different from the winchester, ill have no luck if i order those screws.

And farmerDanz, no these are the two small screws located on the underside of the reciever, theyre the pivot point for the cartridge stops on at the end of the mag tube.

The gun did function just fine after i removed the LH cartridge stop with the screw missing. But would much prefer it to back where in belongs.
 
I participate in Cowboy action Shooting (CAS) and use a Winchester 1897 for a shotgun, and a clone for back-up.

I went into the shop to take out a crew from either and compare, but as I tried to turn the screw on my clone, and it wouldn't budge, I remembered that it was held in with some thread locker. These fall out easily.

Then, while looking at the clone, that mine is not a Norinco. It is an EMEI M97, and it was made by Jianshe. EMEI is part of the Jianshe corporation.

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I prefer to use the Winchester, mostly because I like the Prince of Wales or rounded knob grip on the stock. The clone is a bit smoother to run.

Out of necessity, and partially because I like to work on guns, I've worked on a few of these. I own a couple of others, some of which were in rather poor shape with many visible signs of neglect, abuse and just plain Bubba-smithing.

FarmerDanz, if you'd post a picture, I'm sure someone on this forum will help you with your issue. Reading between the lines I think you are talking about the action slide hook screw.

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B-902 posted about the 2 screws that go in from the bottom of the action, and the cartridge stop arms pivot about these, and are held in by them as well. There is a right hand one and a left hand one, just slightly different from each other.

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I don't know which is which, but my collection of Winchester 1897 parts has a few of each.
 
nitro-express said:
I participate in Cowboy action Shooting (CAS) and use a Winchester 1897 for a shotgun, and a clone for back-up.

I went into the shop to take out a crew from either and compare, but as I tried to turn the screw on my clone, and it wouldn't budge, I remembered that it was held in with some thread locker. These fall out easily.

Then, while looking at the clone, that mine is not a Norinco. It is an EMEI M97, and it was made by Jianshe. EMEI is part of the Jianshe corporation.

t0U7o70.jpg


I prefer to use the Winchester, mostly because I like the Prince of Wales or rounded knob grip on the stock. The clone is a bit smoother to run.

Out of necessity, and partially because I like to work on guns, I've worked on a few of these. I own a couple of others, some of which were in rather poor shape with many visible signs of neglect, abuse and just plain Bubba-smithing.

FarmerDanz, if you'd post a picture, I'm sure someone on this forum will help you with your issue. Reading between the lines I think you are talking about the action slide hook screw.

1BSJ7CJl.jpg


B-902 posted about the 2 screws that go in from the bottom of the action, and the cartridge stop arms pivot about these, and are held in by them as well. There is a right hand one and a left hand one, just slightly different from each other.

cPTYEr7l.jpg


I don't know which is which, but my collection of Winchester 1897 parts has a few of each.
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Hey nitro, you guessed correctly at the screw i was referring to. Is that bugger supposed to bind up the bolt if tightened down? It honestly seems too long, but john browning knows better than me.

Not to hijack the thread...
 
kulkerath said:
My LH cartridge stop screw would bind up the bolt if I tightened it fully. Had to file a few thousands off the end. It's good now.
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I've never encountered this one being too long, but I've had to shorten others. My guess would be that a wee bit of file work would solve the problem. I recently bought a couple of trays of parts for 1897 shotguns, and another 2 1897 shotguns with issues with the intention of configuring them for Cowboy.

One is too far gone to resurrect. The other needs a few rather spendy parts. With around 100 parts, and with most of them shaking hands with the parts around them, there is a bunch of timing and fitting issues. The 1897 is also a Bubba magnet, IMHO. Bubba's smithing tools include several hammers, a large bench vice, some old screwdrivers very little understanding of the 1897.

I have 2 examples with crushed actions and action extensions. One was beat repeatedly with a hammer, the other is real bad, sustaining damage consistent with having been driven over with a bus.

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The left wall of the action, and the action extension are weakened by the cutout for the action slide. The action will collapse, and crack if forcibly clamped or beat upon. How much force? Not sure, as I wasn't the one that did this.

My forensic skills lead me to believe that the most likely chain of events is:
  • The end cap on the magazine is removed to install or remove the plug, the one that limits the magazine capacity to 2.

  • When the end cap is re-installed the magazine plug stop is reversed and this prevents the shotgun from being taken down.

  • When Bubba tries to take it down, it leads to destruction.

I bought a 16 ga 1897 at a gunshow, it would not takedown. I suspected that something was assembled incorrectly, and I was able to save it, Bubba didn't get to touch it.

Since then my 1897 education has been enhanced, at considerable expense.

NMaJT1o.jpg


Picture posted by u/kinkarcana. This is one example of what a "rag and pliers" can do in the right hands.
 
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nitro-express said:
I've never encountered this one being too long, but I've had to shorten others. My guess would be that a wee bit of file work would solve the problem. I recently bought a couple of trays of parts for 1897 shotguns, and another 2 1897 shotguns with issues with the intention of configuring them for Cowboy
One is too far gone to resurrect. The other needs a few rather spendy parts. With around 100 parts, and with most of them shaking hands with the parts around them, there is a bunch of timing and fitting issues. The 1897 is also a Bubba magnet, IMHO. Bubba's smithing tools include several hammers, a large bench vice, some old screwdrivers very little understanding of the 1897.

I have 2 examples with crushed actions and action extensions. One was beat repeatedly with a hammer, the other is real bad, sustaining damage consistent with having been driven over with a bus.

K6s8YI8.jpg


The left wall of the action, and the action extension are weakened by the cutout for the action slide. The action will collapse, and crack if forcibly clamped or beat upon. How much force? Not sure, as I wasn't the one that did this.

My forensic skills lead me to believe that the most likely chain of events is:
  • The end cap on the magazine is removed to install or remove the plug, the one that limits the magazine capacity to 2.

  • When the end cap is re-installed the magazine plug stop is reversed and this prevents the shotgun from being taken down.

  • When Bubba tries to take it down, it leads to destruction.

I bought a 16 ga 1897 at a gunshow, it would not takedown. I suspected that something was assembled incorrectly, and I was able to save it, Bubba didn't get to touch it.

Since then my 1897 education has been enhanced, at considerable expense.

NMaJT1o.jpg


Picture posted by u/kinkarcana. This is one example of what a "rag and pliers" can do in the right hands.
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Did bubba grind off the serial numbers
 
B_902 said:
Hi folks,

Im looking for help finding a LH cartridge stop screw for my norinco 1987, i recently purchased one, and made myself a trench gun clone, disassembled, cleaned and tightened all the screws, but seemingly forgot to tighten the one on the cartridge stop screw. And yesterdsy lost mine while taking it out to shoot for the first time.

Ive been able to find the screw for the winchester 1897, but also find people saying that the winchesters are standard threading, while the norincos have metric threads.

Was wondering if anycome can confirm this for me so i dont waste my time and money on a part that wont fit, or if someone can point me in the direction of finding one that will work.

If i must ill locate a screw with the same threading and make my own with some delicate dremal work, but would prefer to save myself the effort.

Either way the 1897 is a total blast to take shooting and i hope to have it back up and running as soon as possible for my next outting!

Thanks in advance for any help!
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Any updates on this? Guess what screw walked itself out while I had the 1897 out? The lh cartridge stop pivot pin.

From what I can tell, its a 3mm x 0.35 thread.
 
FarmerDanz, ive had zero luck finding one so far. Might have to get a machinist to make me one. My friend is going to lend me his to have one remade, could certainly have a couple made to make it worth while, and send one your way if im able to make it happen.

No clue on when, or what the cost would be as of yet though.
 
I ordered a die off amazon in m3x0.35 so we will soon see if that is the norinco thread size. Just going to make a new pin if the thread is correct.
 
I had the same problem. Norinco’s are a mishmash of English and metric screws . The screw you are talking about is 4-48 on mine. I made my own. The other problem is that the left and right are different. Also the way they work is that they left scre tends to tighten and the right tends to loosen
 
dogzilla said:
I had the same problem. Norinco’s are a mishmash of English and metric screws . The screw you are talking about is 4-48 on mine. I made my own. The other problem is that the left and right are different. Also the way they work is that they left scre tends to tighten and the right tends to loosen
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^^This different screw/pins different thread twist
And I'll say again JB weld them in place
 
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