my understanding, is that if you change the barrel to make the gun longer, you can't change it back yourself to make it short again, or you risk losing the non-restriced status. Just buy 2
problem solved.
New shotguns, MAG-FED and SHORTIES - NEW PICS
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my understanding, is that if you change the barrel to make the gun longer, you can't change it back yourself to make it short again, or you risk losing the non-restriced status. Just buy 2
problem solved.my understanding, is that if you change the barrel to make the gun longer, you can't change it back yourself to make it short again, or you risk losing the non-restriced status. Just buy 2
What about a telescopic barrel?
my understanding, is that if you change the barrel to make the gun longer, you can't change it back yourself to make it short again, or you risk losing the non-restriced status. Just buy 2
This is not the case. You can do as much barrel swapping as you like. The only way to make a pump shotgun restricted is to use a folding or telescoping stock so that it is less that 26", or submitting a unique 8.5" barreled shotgun for FRT assignment with the pistol grip only. It would then be classed as a handgun and thus restricted. The last bit only applies to one particular gun and is being fought, and likely won, in court.
There is an RCMP ruling regarding attaching pistil grips to make a gun less than 26". I believe it was posted in the main shorty thread. I will see If i can find it and post it here. There is no grey area.
So a 12.5" barrel with a pistol grip will be over 26"? I don't have one handy to measure but I thought the receiver/grip is more along the 8-9" than 14" in length
So a 12.5" barrel with a pistol grip will be over 26"? I don't have one handy to measure but I thought the receiver/grip is more along the 8-9" than 14" in length
No, the 26" rule only applies to folding or telescoping stocks.
From the CFC:
Basically, if you can reduce the length "on the fly" of your shotgun to less than 26", and it can still be fired, it's restricted. But if you needs tools or need to remove parts, your GTG.
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So a 12.5" barrel with a pistol grip will be over 26"? I don't have one handy to measure but I thought the receiver/grip is more along the 8-9" than 14" in length
A 12.5" barreled 870 with a pistol grip will be below 26" OAL.
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Not that I don't want it to be true, but I still don't see the gaps that allow short, pistol gripped shotties:
To me the bullet points appear to read:
Restricted firearms include:
But, if the CFC is handing out non-restricted registration certs for them, who am I to complain?
No need to
To me the bullet points appear to read:
Restricted firearms include:
- shotguns with a barrel shorter than 470 mm (about 18.5 inches)
- shotguns that can be fired when their overall length has been reduced by [any] other means to less than 660 mm (about 26 inches)
But, if the CFC is handing out non-restricted registration certs for them, who am I to complain?
No need to
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You can have a pistol grip, but not a folder. Get it? Makes sense, huh?
Nope! Doesn't make any sense yet!
Unless it gets cleared out by the RCMP, CFC, court, Judge, or God himself, I'm not touching any of these "non restricted" shotgun yet!
But if these are selling as restricted, then i will.
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Not that I don't want it to be true, but I still don't see the gaps that allow short, pistol gripped shotties:
To me the bullet points appear to read:
Restricted firearms include:
- shotguns with a barrel shorter than 470 mm (about 18.5 inches)
- shotguns that can be fired when their overall length has been reduced by [any] other means to less than 660 mm (about 26 inches)
But, if the CFC is handing out non-restricted registration certs for them, who am I to complain?
No need to
Uhm read the quote you posted. If a shotgun is semi-auto AND has a barrel shorter than 18.5" it is restric. Since a pump action is NOT semi-auto this has no relevance here.
And the second point says a shotgun that is reduced. If it comes from the factory that way, nothing is being reduced.. it has always been that way.
The RCMP has already ruled. See Unopistoleros post in the main shorty thread. He posted the contents of an RCMP ruling. I am trying to get a copy. I don't know why this is so difficult to understand. Mossberg, remington, et al have been selling 14 and 12.5" shorties for years with pistol grips, all without problems. All are non-restricted and that isn't going to change.
14" barrel only, never saw those with factory 12.5"
These 14" barreled shotguns where all sold in Canada with the full stock only, no pistol grip and all had more than 26" OAL so clearly non restricted.
I'm a sure that had they been sold with a pistol grip, they would have been restricted.
I once had a Franchi PA-3 12 ga pump with pistol grip and 8" barrel (clearly under 26" OAL) and it was restricted.
To me it is still a grey area, without a clear interpretation of the law i wont touch it IF you sell it as non restricted.
Because otherwise all i have to do is install a pistol grip on my 12.5" 870 and thats it!
I will not take the risk of going in the wood with a shotgun that is less than 26" in length without a document that says clearly that this gun in THIS configuration (pistol grip and 12.5" barrel is non restricted).
But if you sell it as restricted then i'll buy one.
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14" barrel only, never saw those with factory 12.5"
These 14" barreled shotguns where all sold in Canada with the full stock only, no pistol grip and all had more than 26" OAL so clearly non restricted.
I'm a sure that had they been sold with a pistol grip, they would have been restricted.
I once had a Franchi PA-3 12 ga pump with pistol grip and 8" barrel (clearly under 26" OAL) and it was restricted.
To me it is still a grey area, without a clear interpretation of the law i wont touch it IF you sell it as non restricted.
Because otherwise all i have to do is install a pistol grip on my 12.5" 870 and thats it!
I will not take the risk of going in the wood with a shotgun that is less than 26" in length without a document that says clearly that this gun in THIS configuration (pistol grip and 12.5" barrel is non restricted).
But if you sell it as restricted then i'll buy one.
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Nope, the Remington MSC is sold with a pistol grip and 12.5 barrel, and is non-restricted, as are a few others. There is no issue. The RCMP have spoken, done deal.
I just looked through the FRT. The only restricted pump shotguns are those with folding stocks or those that were only available with pistol grips, ala the Dlask, some special police Remingtons, etc. If the gun starts with a full stock and is reduced by adding a pistol grip you are always non-restricted.
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Wrong!
The Remington 870MCS (which has 10" barrel btw) is not sold to civilian in Canada, due to US State Dept regulation.
Never seen one for sale! i would sure buy one if i could
What are the few others?
I have read Unopistoleros post and it's confusing at most, you're convinced? good for you, i'm not!
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The FRT # will tell all if it is non-restricted or restricted.......do you have FRT #'s for these guns ?
They will be new FRT #'s ...is that correct....would you not have had to submit details of the guns to the RCMP tech's in order to get them imported ?
I'm not sure how you can import these into Canada when you cannot even supply us with a photograph.
They will be new FRT #'s ...is that correct....would you not have had to submit details of the guns to the RCMP tech's in order to get them imported ?
I'm not sure how you can import these into Canada when you cannot even supply us with a photograph.
