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The history and development of the Bren Gun is in a book called; The Bren Gun Saga, by Dugelby, T. B. and is in the Burnaby Public Library.
The book goes in to the development of the vz 26 and vz 30 as well as the predecessors and later LMGs.
Ceska Zbrojovka vz. 26, Light Machine Gun (LMG) / Vehicle Machine Gun was used by Czechoslovakia and used the German WW 1 rifle cartridge, with the 150 grain bullet.
Ceska Zbrojovka vz. 30, Light Machine Gun (LMG) was developed for export and used the German WW 2 cartridge, with the 198 grain bullet.
You pretty much need the two side by side to see the difference.
The book goes in to the development of the vz 26 and vz 30 as well as the predecessors and later LMGs.
Ceska Zbrojovka vz. 26, Light Machine Gun (LMG) / Vehicle Machine Gun was used by Czechoslovakia and used the German WW 1 rifle cartridge, with the 150 grain bullet.
Ceska Zbrojovka vz. 30, Light Machine Gun (LMG) was developed for export and used the German WW 2 cartridge, with the 198 grain bullet.
You pretty much need the two side by side to see the difference.
I can imagine that made for a very unpleasant weapon to operate
Agreed and certainly not a good big brother to the C1 (although the mags were interchangeable). Most happy I wasn't tasked with lugging one around.
Even so, the 7.62mm BREN was stop gap measure until the GPMG was fully integrated.
I had a C2. Bought it new from Canadian Arsenals for $199. Came in a cardboard box, with bayonet, 4 mags and a sling. As I recall, there were 100 of them for sale. Also for sale were the 9mm SMGs ($99) and the C1s (139.)
Mine were stolen in a house break-in. They came for my full autos. Police think they went to Ireland.
The C2 was a piece of crap in full auto, compared to the Bren. A Bren burst it the target. A 3 shot burst from the C2 put 1 in the target, one in the dirt about 25 yards in front and the third over the top. It was good for making noise and brass.
At least, that was my experience with my guns.
I'm the new owner of the LITHGOW Mk1 BREN that Jim is firing in that photo. And yes it's still a live gun. The stock is a hard oil finish identical to a unaltered LITHGOW 1942 SMLE I bought for $125 back in 1991.
I've been fortunate to have been able to buy many original Aussie accessories for that BREN most of which are in unissued condition. Some date from the Korean war though and not WW2.
The two barrels that came with the gun are shorter and lighter than the INGLIS and ENFIELD BREN barrels that I have. I think the intention was to use them while the gun was being carried in thick bush.
Yeah, the C2 could beat the sh*t out of you. On ex in Vogelsang around 87 we were getting jacked about not winning the firefight so I finally let the whole mag go on one burst. Never did that again. Didn't think about how much ammo I was packing until I took my webbing off to refill mags and then picked it up again. 7 full mags is a lot of weight.
Same ex, got a chance to fire a Bren. Didn't walk away being particularly impressed by the accuracy but I'd had a chance to fire one. Could only go by the fall of shot as the target area was an embankment about 4 hundred yards or so across some water.
Same ex, got a chance to fire a Bren. Didn't walk away being particularly impressed by the accuracy but I'd had a chance to fire one. Could only go by the fall of shot as the target area was an embankment about 4 hundred yards or so across some water.
All the post referring to the C2 made me feel nostalgic
Nice pic. Slumping the C2 was the only time in my life I ever wore a bra.
While on the easy/joy to fire topic, my three favourites are Bren, 1928A1 Thompson and Ross Mk.III. Somehow they just gently coax you on to the target.
All the post referring to the C2 made me feel nostalgic
Just looking at that, scares the #### out of me.
Grizz
The Junkers EF 61 V1 pictures are interesting, I did not know of that model.
I was familiar with the Junkers Ju 86P high-altitude aircraft.
The PF's types that trained us CA(M) did not like the C2, and I did not like the C1.
I have fired and I like the Bren.
I was familiar with the Junkers Ju 86P high-altitude aircraft.
The PF's types that trained us CA(M) did not like the C2, and I did not like the C1.
I have fired and I like the Bren.
It would have been interesting to hear the decision making process that went into the adoption of the C2. These decisions were made by people who served in WW2 and Korea and who should have known better.
I'll wager the bean counters and engineers won the argument.
I'll wager the bean counters and engineers won the argument.
All the post referring to the C2 made me feel nostalgic
Look at the length of the bipod legs. It broke your back as you arched to make use of it. It also refused to stay latched.
We had to put the legs forward on the down slope of the firing berm in order to use them and then use 20 rd mags so they wouldn't dig into the turf.
I was a weapons tech decades ago and used both the bren and the C2. The C2 was a pos. Yes, a whole lot lighter than a Bren but that was about it. What it was really good for is if you stuck a scope on it it became a lot better sniper than the C1.
