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Never had the screw back off and there is a smaller retaining screw to prevent lose of the main screw. That’s a no on providing the Allen key or a storage place. However, it’s the same size as the grip screw and you could store a key in your grip.
 
Duck_Hunter said:
Never had the screw back off and there is a smaller retaining screw to prevent lose of the main screw. That’s a no on providing the Allen key or a storage place. However, it’s the same size as the grip screw and you could store a key in your grip.
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Well the retaining screw is a good idea! Could you share a picture?
 
I've had the SLR bolt loosen a bit while shooting, but never enough to fall out or cause any sort of issue. Hasn't happened since I started using a bit of Loc-tite on it.

I jam a soft ear plug in on top of it, too.

You can also use an o-ring or very small lock washer on the bolt.
 
rally guy said:
Anybody has extensive experience with this slr receiver design? I mean I do prefer the ar compatibility of the modern sporter but the price point of the bcl is enticing to say the least, necer mind the almost a year wait... to me the 2 big question marks or should I say concerns are 1. The a$$hole of the takedown screw and the fear of it backing out and the nea/bcl qc legacy or lack thereof.

So anyone had there takedown screw back of or fall of? Where they smart enough to include a tool and stowing place for it?
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No experience with the SLR design. I've avoided it for the below reasons.

I'm of two minds on this one. I really don't like the screw design of the SLR. The upper/lower is 6061 but it is anodized and they do use a steel insert so the screw isn't just going into aluminum. But I know it would only be a matter of time before I cross threaded that screw. Also I know the outside of the lower where that screw goes in would get beat up and look like crap over time. Add in the inconvenience of having to unscrew it to take the upper/lower apart every time for cleaning... The price is compelling. The specs, meh. The design I'm not really liking it that much. The positives are the price and that it's non restricted. The main issue I have is the inconvenience and awkward take down screw, along with lower spec aluminum. I could live with the 6061, especially since it's anodized. But I don't think I could live with that take down screw design.

Alternative. The modern sporter stripped upper/lower set. Yes not cheap, and a long time lag. But the design is good. I would never in a million years recommend the Modern hunter as I believe there are design issues with it, the accuracy is questionable at best and the price is far too high. For that the BCL was an easy choice. With the Stag 10, there is not even any competition. If the Stag 10 and MH were the same price I would still pick the Stag 10 as I believe it's a better rifle based on design, reliability and accuracy. But in the 223 realm... The AR15 is standardized unlike the 308 so it's harder to screw up.

I think currently the modern sporter stripped upper/lower set and build off that is the way to go.
 
Epoxy7 said:
No experience with the SLR design. I've avoided it for the below reasons.

I'm of two minds on this one. I really don't like the screw design of the SLR. The upper/lower is 6061 but it is anodized and they do use a steel insert so the screw isn't just going into aluminum. But I know it would only be a matter of time before I cross threaded that screw. Also I know the outside of the lower where that screw goes in would get beat up and look like crap over time. Add in the inconvenience of having to unscrew it to take the upper/lower apart every time for cleaning... The price is compelling. The specs, meh. The design I'm not really liking it that much. The positives are the price and that it's non restricted. The main issue I have is the inconvenience and awkward take down screw, along with lower spec aluminum. I could live with the 6061, especially since it's anodized. But I don't think I could live with that take down screw design.

Alternative. The modern sporter stripped upper/lower set. Yes not cheap, and a long time lag. But the design is good. I would never in a million years recommend the Modern hunter as I believe there are design issues with it, the accuracy is questionable at best and the price is far too high. For that the BCL was an easy choice. With the Stag 10, there is not even any competition. If the Stag 10 and MH were the same price I would still pick the Stag 10 as I believe it's a better rifle based on design, reliability and accuracy. But in the 223 realm... The AR15 is standardized unlike the 308 so it's harder to screw up.

I think currently the modern sporter stripped upper/lower set and build off that is the way to go.
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I would add to that, that a screw, any screw as a limit of time that it can be tightened and unscrewed. That limit goes down exponentially wen it is torque . Wen you torque down a screw you stretch the metal, wen it's stretch it becoms weaken and fatigue and more prone to torquing failure or stress failure.
 
rally guy said:
I would add to that, that a screw, any screw as a limit of time that it can be tightened and unscrewed. That limit goes down exponentially wen it is torque . Wen you torque down a screw you stretch the metal, wen it's stretch it becoms weaken and fatigue and more prone to torquing failure or stress failure.
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Guys It's a rifle not the space shuttle, or even a head stud....they arent torqued to yield. The Bolts used arent going to fatigue over time. You'd have to use some pretty crazy hard material for that to happen. You can literally fire one of these without a bolt at all. The only thing it does is keep the two halves from sliding apart. There is hardly any stress on the actual fastener at all.

Also there are Nylok fasteners available.
 
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As for the screw, put a piece of monofilament fishing line in straight then tighten the screw normally. Acts like a nylock. “ if your worried” .
 
ThatM305Guy said:
Guys It's a rifle not the space shuttle, or even a head stud....they arent torqued to yield. The Bolts used arent going to fatigue over time. You'd have to use some pretty crazy hard material for that to happen. You can literally fire one of these without a bolt at all. The only thing it does is keep the two halves from sliding apart. There is hardly any stress on the actual fastener at all.

Also there are Nylok fasteners available.
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So you never stripped a scope ring screw?
 
Brodie720 said:
As for the screw, put a piece of monofilament fishing line in straight then tighten the screw normally. Acts like a nylock. “ if your worried” .
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Have you tried this with tiny screws? I don’t see there being enough space to be successfully viable.
Perhaps a Nylok replacement screw should be used. How hard can it be to retain a screw properly after we’ve put men on the moon.
 
And why does the end user have to improvise for shoddy manufacture? Little things like this cause concern for graver issues.
 
easy said:
And why does the end user have to improvise for shoddy manufacture? Little things like this cause concern for graver issues.
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This is really old news, the way MD used Screws to hold the upper and lower together on the SLR has been argued to death back when the MD SLR Receiver sets were first released. Once the rage died down over that and a few poorly machined holes, the SLR looks like a pretty decent NR alternative. Also what gives you the impression the SLR upper/lower is fastened together with tiny screws?
 
What are your guys' thoughts on the addition of the steel insert for the takedown screw on the BCL receiver compared the MD design?

Link to pic: https://www.instagram.com/p/B-hwqKFJASe/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

Have been observing the MD NR builds unfold from afar and people didn't seem to have too many issues with the full aluminum & steel thread insert takedown screw system.

PS relatively new to posting on here.. Sorry if I am missing some CGN etiquette. Lol
 
rally guy said:
So you never stripped a scope ring screw?
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Why, now that you mention it....I dont beleive I have. My job description involves fixing those mistakes, not creating them. Though I'll admit I've broken my fair share of small taps.
thechumphry said:
What are your guys' thoughts on the addition of the steel insert for the takedown screw on the BCL receiver compared the MD design?

Link to pic: https://www.instagram.com/p/B-hwqKFJASe/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

Have been observing the MD NR builds unfold from afar and people didn't seem to have too many issues with the full aluminum & steel thread insert takedown screw system.

PS relatively new to posting on here.. Sorry if I am missing some CGN etiquette. Lol
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I think it's an awesome idea. The original MDI used a helicoil in the upper to alleviate worries about aluminum on steel thread wear. This is even better. :D

There is no etiquette on here. Only rage, and superiority complexes.
 
ThatM305Guy said:
I think it's an awesome idea. The original MDI used a helicoil in the upper to alleviate worries about aluminum on steel thread wear. This is even better. :D

There is no etiquette on here. Only rage, and superiority complexes.
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Agreed, now I'm just curious to see how these perform in the long run!

I am a big fan of these NR products hitting the market.. Just not so much of the pre-orders that come along with them..

Haha awesome news. Sounds like I came to the right place then. Definitely does seems like a bloodbath at times.
 
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