Best HD option in .223?

shawn said:
You cant be real can you? You are going full retard

Shawn
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This is the idea. Imagine your hand wrapped around the gun. You're covering most of your target.

Closer it gets, the more you will cover.

I dont get why this is retarded?

shawn said:
You also know that when people say center of mass in the real world, not during plinking time, its not a reference to the A Zone on a target right? Its the center of visible mass of the target, could be an elbow, could be face, could be right foot, could be the 4inch wide strip of person if they are facing side ways etc etc

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Yeah and best case scenario you can see the shoulders and chest. Worst case you see only the head(when sideways)

So is it really practical to aim at 5m?
 
The target in that pic looks 5 ish meters away how come he it not aiming high to compensate for what ever BS you are trying to say?

Shawn
 
shawn said:
You tell me, you are the one saying that since sights are set for 10-25 you are chasing heads but that is not taking head shots. Its your BS not mine

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Okay. I'll dumb it down.

What does your sight picture look like if you're shooting at 5m? Your front sight post covers the point of impact right?

"Covering" means "not visible anymore"

So if youre center of mass(chest?) is "not visible anymore", what do you see? The head right?

So in order for you to aim at the center of mass, you can only reference a head.
 
PK,

Please try and aim. I don’t know about Shawn, but most people, even with training, have never been in a real life & death situation like you’re discussing.

What is sure is everyone falls back to their lowest level of training. If you do not practice your “ point shooting” skills to the point of confidence even at 2-3m, you may end up putting your family in the next room in danger. This is not something I would want to teach the average gun owner. There are more than enough anecdotes of actual shootings where people have mag dumped at close distances and hit nothing. Whenever possible, use your sights.
 
shawn said:
The target in that pic looks 5 ish meters away how come he it not aiming high to compensate for what ever BS you are trying to say?

Shawn
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I said "this is the idea". But for a Glock, you need to hold a little higher to get the center of mass.

Even if we take that picture as correct, you're losing 2/3 of the "situation". Bad idea.
 
PinaKaleada said:
I dont get why this is retarded?
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For starters you never said target you said situation, as in everything you can see. Second at that range if you held you gun any where where it did not cover any of the traget and you claim to be able to shoot with any accuracy you are delusional, especially at speed

PinaKaleada said:
So is it really practical to aim at 5m?
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Yes it is.

So detail for us how not seeing the 5 inch area directly blow what you are shooting at is not practical

Shawn
 
Still alive said:
PK,

Please try and aim. I don’t know about Shawn, but most people, even with training, have never been in a real life & death situation like you’re discussing.

What is sure is everyone falls back to their lowest level of training. If you do not practice your “ point shooting” skills to the point of confidence even at 2-3m, you may end up putting your family in the next room in danger. There are more than enough anecdotes of actual shootings where people have mag dumped at close distances and hit nothing. Whenever possible, use your sights.
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You're right. My point way back is that I suspect a normal person will have a hard time aiming under stress. Please see this video at 4:30. He said he "pointed and fired"

 
shawn said:
Yes it is.

So detail for us how not seeing the 5 inch area directly blow what you are shooting at is not practical

Shawn
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Because using sights to chase a moving head would be quite a challenge for marginal gains. You can point-and-shoot at those distances and hit your target just fine.

And.... you still haven't told me at what distance you would give up aiming? Was it 3ft?
 
PinaKaleada said:
I said "this is the idea". But for a Glock, you need to hold a little higher to get the center of mass.
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No you dont

PinaKaleada said:
Even if we take that picture as correct, you're losing 2/3 of the "situation". Bad idea.
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No you are not, maybe 1/2 of a the target as you posted, still not any where near half the "situation". Maybe nothing if the guy is behind a couch or not just standing completely up right in the open

Shawn
 
PinaKaleada said:
You're right. My point way back is that I suspect a normal person will have a hard time aiming under stress. Please see this video at 4:30. He said he "pointed and fired"
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And that would be the “ lowest level of training” I was talking about. Sometimes you get lucky and things work out, like that frying pan thing you guys were discussing. Doesn’t mean it’s something that should be taught.

Someone once said: “ Every bullet that leaves your barrel has a lawyer attached to it”.
 
shawn said:
No you are not, maybe 1/2 of a the target as you posted, still not any where near half the "situation". Maybe nothing if the guy is behind a couch or not just standing completely up right in the open

Shawn
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Here is the math if you want to get detail about this:

Lets say the middle spot between your two nipples and your belly button is the center of mass. Try measuring that. It's about 2/3 of your overall body height.

Your sights needs to be cover this for POI to impact. You're really looking at less than 1/3 of the top of the target at best...
 
This is definitely you don't know what you don't know kind of situations. On top of that you are very in-precise in your language, and don't seem to have areal grasp of how this works.

Shawn
 
Still alive said:
And that would be the “ lowest level of training” I was talking about. Sometimes you get lucky and things work out, like that frying pan thing you guys were discussing. Doesn’t mean it’s something that should be taught.

Someone once said: “ Every bullet that leaves your barrel has a lawyer attached to it”.
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You're correct. However that video is in a safe, simulated situation but he still didn't aim and got two on the head, I believe. The guy is a decent shooter too.
 
PinaKaleada said:
You're correct. However that video is in a safe, simulated situation but he still didn't aim and got two on the head, I believe. The guy is a decent shooter too.
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Again he didn't remember aiming. You need to actually do some research and stop watching NRA commercials on youtube and thinking they are training.

Shawn
 
shawn said:
This is definitely you don't know what you don't know kind of situations. On top of that you are very in-precise in your language, and don't seem to have areal grasp of how this works.

Shawn
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So when I'm willing to get down to details to explain the mechanics of sight picture and POI, you say I'm precise and dont have a real grasp. Great. lol


shawn said:
Why am I aiming at a head if I am not shooting at a head?

Sorry your aim up BS is beyond retarded.

Shawn
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You're not aiming at the head. You're covering the body, so the only reference you have now is the head. You get it?
 
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