Best HD option in .223?
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PinaKaleada
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Thats a good video.
Sure dude what ever
You are right your vast range experience trumps all the people with real world gun fight experience and all the currently accepted science on the physiology and psychology of what happens to the body in those situations.
Troll on
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I'm no Mil/LE but fortunately can pay for each and every single round I shoot. I try my best to collect most of my own brass and here's how much I've shot since start of year. Calling another person keyboard warrior without knowing them makes you look like a fool when called out
I'm no professional and don't have unlimited ammo to train. But the volume I shoot is far from your average gun enthusiast.
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I'm no Mil/LE and have no access to facilities, so unfortunately thats the very best I can do as a civilian.
No its not, the best you can do is not talk out your a** about subjects you have no clue about. And then proceed to tell those that have done it for real, that they are wrong and you know better from your vast plininkg experience
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Because real means dealing with road rage. Ooookay buddy.
You at least got that right.
Do your own damn research because it’s pretty clear you’re only talking out of your a$$.
PinaKaleada
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By the lack of actual content and input from some of these posts, I wonder what kind of response I would get with a more academically orientated approach. Let's try:
NYPD
“Good sight alignment is fundamental to target shooting, yet 70% of cases reviewed indicated
that no sight alignment was employed when the revolver was fired.” - NYPD’s SOP, (1981)
http://www.theppsc.org/Staff_Views/Aveni/OIS.pdf
PhD in police psychology
"Closer than that, at distances where most gunfights occur, trying to use your sights may take too long; by the time you're sighted in, your target may have moved. At less than 20 feet, you're probably best to fix your gaze on your target and quickly drive your gun up to align with that line of view, firing unsighted." - The Force Science Institute (FSI) Executive Director Bill Lewinski, PhD, doctorate in police psychology
https://www.policeone.com/officer-s...e-your-sights-in-a-gunfight-MCivXtc56uyV18la/
Marine Corp
"In most cases, the time to take an aimed shot will not be available...."
"The light necessary to see and use the sights (if the time were available), is not always sufficient"
"... The instinctive-pointing technique of combat firing is the best all-around method of shooting the hand gun without the aid of sights"
Fleet Marine Force Reference Publication FM12-80: Kill or Get Killed. p. 296.
https://archive.org/details/milmanual-fmfrp-12-80-kill-or-get-killed/page/n9/mode/2up
So..... I've got NYPD, Marines and a PhD in Police Psychology backing me up?
Let's see what you guys have, but please do it in a more intelligent way.
(Reads: Back up your claims with references. Don't pull it out of your a$$)
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Runningfool
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Sure thing: this is a thread asking about 223 ammo. Start your own thread*
*From “How to impress others with a big bucket of spent brass and stories you’ve gathered from the internet” by F. Tolhurst and K. S. Whetter, 2018, Arthuriana 28(3), p. 51. Copyright 2018 by Scriptorum Press. Reprinted with permission.
Hmm, the only time I recall not using my sights to shoot something was a bear that was coming towards me and I shot him in the chest with the muzzle almost making contact with the bear.
With a handgun in a defense situation at close range I would think I want at least the front sight in alignment with the target.
As to the topic, I use a 9mm PCC and a shotgun for home defense. More likely to be defending against varmints than people. If I was going to use a .223 NR I may choose a Tavor, it's relatively short.
With a handgun in a defense situation at close range I would think I want at least the front sight in alignment with the target.
As to the topic, I use a 9mm PCC and a shotgun for home defense. More likely to be defending against varmints than people. If I was going to use a .223 NR I may choose a Tavor, it's relatively short.
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PinaKaleada said:
Looks like you opened with use your Sights...
PinaKaleada said:
"Tip" which IMO is a step back, but at least it's aiming...sort of. I'm still convinced you're Trolling us, but if not for someone that seems to be able to string together a half assed sentence you're not very good at comprehending what's being communicated. None of your examples said don't use your sights, what they seemed to say to me is most people don't. Ever wonder why most Gunfights with people with average skill level end with a pile of rounds fired and no hits? Maybe because no one aimed...
PinaKaleada said:
Maybe they don't want to think about what they've done. Many of them have Nightmares to that effect. They don't need some Tool like you asking them to replay that in their head to support your full on stupid argument.
What a sh*tshow of a thread. Since I'm bored, I'll participate.
I have a Sig P226 Enhanced Elite in 9mm with a surefire X300 in the night stand, and if need be a KAC SR15 E3 Mod1 Carbine with SiCo Omega suppressor.
I don't ever plan on having to use them, but they are there if need be.
I do plan on using my sights though, would be a shame if I took out the wife's gecko or our tortoises in a firefight
I have a Sig P226 Enhanced Elite in 9mm with a surefire X300 in the night stand, and if need be a KAC SR15 E3 Mod1 Carbine with SiCo Omega suppressor.
I don't ever plan on having to use them, but they are there if need be.
I do plan on using my sights though, would be a shame if I took out the wife's gecko or our tortoises in a firefight
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And I have strongly suggested to definitely use those sights beyond 5m....(This whole discussion has been for ranges 3-5meters)
Another reason is some pistols like Glock have plastic sights. Since aftermarket steel non-tritium and steel tritium has prices in the same ballpark. If you're changing your sights to steel anyway why not get tritium as well?
I hope that clears it up on why I suggest getting tritium sights. I only fault you for not reading the ridiculously long thread. No offence taken.
Thats a good point. More props to me for referencing Marines, NYPD and a PhD in police psychology for more reliable studies, not emotional-filled anecdotes right?
And so far I've only gotten from member Runningfool, a fake made-up book reference as a rebuttal....
....I'm still waiting for some real referenced & researched rebuttals, but I can't say I have high expectations
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From almost 40 years ago!! LOL
This is also from the Marines
Pistol Marksmanship US Marine Corps
“...in combat, sight alignment is still the first priority: strive for a clear front sight.”
https://www.marines.mil/Portals/1/Publications/MCRP 8-10B.3.pdf?ver=2017-03-27-105117-183
This is also from the same PhD in police psychology from the force science institute article you linked.
“There are changes to the eye under stress that can make sighting more difficult, but with the right training these can be overcome. Our research with equipment that tracks eye movement shows that sighted fire can be accomplished even under intense stress.”
Another person with real world experience
Jarod Reston - “I have used my sights in all of my shootings. From iron sights on pistols, magnified on rifle, and dots on rifles. Saying you don’t have time is so wrong. Stop putting that nonsense out.“
Jared has been a law enforcement officer with the Jacksonville Sheriff’s Office since 2001 and has been an active member of S.W.A.T. since 2004. Jared is currently assigned as a Detective in the Department of Homeland Security/Gang Investigations Unit, and he is the assistant team leader and lead firearms instructor for the SWAT team. Jared has been involved in the successful resolution of over one thousand S.W.A.T. missions, including several lethal force incidents.
That’s some of what I have, backed up with references. The only one pulling $hit out of their a$$ is you.
