Best self defence Grizzly buster..

Best grizzly buster.

  • Marlin 45-70 Guide gun

    Votes: 85 67.5%

  • Springfield 30-06 M1 Garand

    Votes: 17 13.5%

  • Remington 870 12g Police

    Votes: 24 19.0%
  • Total voters
    126
  • Poll closed .
Assuming that I'd finished bedding the action, installing the optics and sighting her in, I would take my 9.3x62 Husqvarna. That should give over 3300 ft lbs from the muzzle with the starting load of H4350 and a 285gr bullet, about 4-600ft lbs more than a standard 180gr 30.06.

Cheers,

Frank
 
prosper said:
The Alaskan forestry department wouldn't agree. They did a test a few years back, it's been posted here before. Anyway, slugs performed very very poorly, mostly due to insufficient penetration. I believe the 30-06 scored better than the 12 gauge. Certainly, though a 12ga is better than nothing. Especially given the rate of fire a pump gun is capable of, plus the fact that most shotguns have simple bead sights which are extremely quick to acquire with
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Was the test conducted with normal foster type slugs, or brennekes? The brenneke slugs are vastly superior to traditional slugs in penetration. Foster slugs are made from a much softer alloy, because they need to expand slightly to get a proper gas seal. This causes severe deformation on impact (effectively limiting penetration). Brenneke slugs use a felt wad to seal the barrel, allowing them to use much harder alloys which do not deform and keep on truckin right through.



not that much easier to handle than the 22' gun. BTDT.

Ted
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To me to 18.5 inch guide gun did not balance very well. I much prefer the 22'' model.
 
Slimbo said:
Was the test conducted with normal foster type slugs, or brennekes? The brenneke slugs are vastly superior to traditional slugs in penetration. Foster slugs are made from a much softer alloy, because they need to expand slightly to get a proper gas seal. This causes severe deformation on impact (effectively limiting penetration). Brenneke slugs use a felt wad to seal the barrel, allowing them to use much harder alloys which do not deform and keep on truckin right through.
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That's what I was thinking as well.
I'll search for the post, but one fella shot a brenneke thru an 8" tree, found the slug, and deformation was barely noticable. Big penetration numbers.

Here's the testing done by Tactical Works.
http://www.tacticalshotgun.ca/conte...g/brenneke_r10/gelatin_slug_brenneke_r10.html
 
I was snooping around, and found these Dixie Slugs and Tri-Ball ammo. Take a look at these tests
I also tested Dixie Tri-Ball Buckshot loads and the 730 grain Dixie Terminator heat treated hard cast slug against the paper and bone box.
It was an eye opener to see a 12 bore penetrate just a deep as a .416 Rigby factory load with 400 grain partition bullets!

I reported and photographed the results and posted the same at:

http://shootersforum.com/showthread.htm?t=39309

RMc
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Here's a little more data on the Dixie Slugs
Went to the John Linebaugh Seminar and penetration test this week end and saw some interesting results. A 416 Rigby 410 grain Federal Factory load round nose solid penetrated 46". The 475 Linebaugh with 425 grain Buffalo Bore Factory load went 49", 1400 + Fps. The 500 Linebaugh 525 grain Buffalo Bore load at 1097 fps penetrated 50". The 50 Alaskan Revolver with the 525 grain Buffalo Bore load at a clocked 1570 fps went 51". The 500 Linebaugh with a 450 grain punch bullet at 1280 FPS + or - penetrated 51".The 500 JRH 425 grain factory load at 1380 + or _ went 50".The 416 Rigby Federal factory loaded 400 grain Nosler partion went 30" in the test.
NOW THE MOST DEVASTATING LOAD TESTED, the one that rocked the test box the most and the one that blew about a 4" diameter wound channel and penetrated 28" was a Dixie slug 730 grain at 1200 fps IMPRESSIVE to say the least.
I will be getting a spread sheet together and post more results in a week or so..as can be seen these big bore revolvers with less speed penetrate with the big rifles..........and the wound channel was larger.........
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A .223 would do for me. That way I can shoot the "other" guy and take off while the grizz is munching on him. ;) I've never had the reason to defend myslef or someone else, but I have been within 75 yards of a big grizz while packing my .338WM. It didn't stop me from feeling a bit small.
 
2fat2fly said:
Here's a little more data on the Dixie Slugs
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It is a fact that flat nosed bullets penetrate farther in water-type situations than RN's. It's also true that slower speeds are more conducive to deep penetration *in wet newsprint* type media. Head on over to the accuratereloading forums to see what the folks there have to say about low speed penetration in actual game. Many of them are PH's in africa, and have taken or were present first hand for more kills every year than most here will see in a lifetime. 200 years of experience in Africa has shown time and again that the optimal speed is around 2200-2400 fps.

Actually, for some really interesting reading on the topic, check these out:
http://gsgroup.co.za/articlepvdw.html
http://www.grosswildjagd.de/penetrat.htm
 
stokka said:
Little off topick. Many people say 45/70 but not a Guide Gun - why is that and what is wrong with a Guide Gun (I was just considering buying one).
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there is absolutely nothing inherently wrong with a GG... the shorter barrel will reduce manufacturers stated ballistics some. the trade off is light weight and fast, easy shouldering. But for this poll, it doesn't matter if you're using a GG or a plain Jane 1895....
 
I would not hesitate to shoot a resting, undisturbed, grizz with a accurate30.06. But to stop one in full charge, well that is a very different story. Minimum, 375 H&H.
 
I'd pick the endless "Bear Defence" thread...
Then, when the bear was reading it, I'd sneak to his cottage, eat his frickin' porridge, poop on his chair, then take a nap in his bed.
 
I would rather ask WHAT kind of guide gives those choices? common knowledge that a 375H&H, has been the gun of choice for years with big bears and dangerous game, being a bear guide for a few years I would kick my own A$$ if that was the choices I gave! of course you can kill a bear with every caliber but why risk personal injury?
 
As long as you'r eno tusing factory ammo the 45-70 would be the way to go. And presuming you can handle the recoil of stout 45-70 loads. If not, maybe you shouldn't be out picking fights with grizzlies.
 
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