Trudeau and Blair BAN 12 Gauge and 10 Gauge SHOTGUNS!

VinnyQC said:
https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-46/section-117.15-20030101.html





In other words, the GiC can ban anything that in his own opinion is not reasonable for use in canada for hunting or sporting. In other words, the GiC decides what sporting is, based on its own opinion, experts and fact de damned.
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Another honest question. I don’t know where the excerpt lies within the law but by the that reasoning should AR’s not only be exempt from prohibition but from the restricted classification as well?
 
VinnyQC said:
Not that easy to correct. If you increase the acceptable diameter, then you start excluding some grenade launcher from the ban, which was the point to begin with. If you try to exclude shotguns, then you open a whole new can of worm, which is to define what a shotgun is (nothing even close to that in the FA act). You could end up with 88mm howitzers that are also shotguns.

The root of their problem is that a 20mm grenade launcher is technically pretty much the same thing as a 10G shotgun.

As for the energy problem, it goes way beyond shotguns. There is a possibility that everything that's 308Win or larger is prohibited at this point. It is possible to generate 10kj of energy in a case that's the size of a 308Win, so in theory, the calibre is "capable of discharging a projectile with a muzzle energy greater than 10,000 joules". In practice I don't think so, but:
1-Anything that's 338LM or larger is capable of that in practice, I have no doubt about it;
2-With advancement in smokeless powder technology, the minimum calibre capable of discharging a projectile with a muzzle energy greater than 10,000 joules will shrink. An increase in energy/volume comes with a decrease in the case capacity required to discharge a projectile faster. There will come a time when very small cartridge will be capable of discharging a projectile with a muzzle energy greater than 10,000 joules, so the amount of prohibited rifles will grow. Basically, some day a scientist comes up with a new smokeless powder, and your rifle is now prohibited.

Keep in mind that nowhere in the FA, the criminal code or the OIC that any concept of "regular" or "standard" cartridge is expressed. The word "capable" very much includes anything that's atypical, not matter how weird or unsafe the cartridge can be.
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I wonder why no one else has taken this and run with it. Maybe this will included in the arguments of the multiple law suits?

So technically I might be breaking the law when I list my t/c venture .308 on the EE when I finally take my pictures??? Damn son I am going to be such a friggen criminal.
 
let's see what the lying sack of chit has to say:


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All these pages and basically the OIC is worded so poorly that multiple government agencies " interpret" it differently. All comes down to the mood of the cop that charges you and the mood of the judge that sentences you......relax the OIC will "balance itself" lmfao!!!
 
flavc3 said:
All these pages and basically the OIC is worded so poorly that multiple government agencies " interpret" it differently. All comes down to the mood of the cop that charges you and the mood of the judge that sentences you......relax the OIC will "balance itself" lmfao!!!
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out of all these threads this has been my favorite response

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Paul_1982 said:
Lol

Ok, so if you modify your shotgun to be capable of firing that round- sure- that shotgun is prohibited.
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You dont need to modify many models of shotguns to shoot 10K + joules (ie 50 bmg or handloads) and they can have bores greater then 20mm (by either measuring choke, or measuring the "middle" bore) again with no modification.
 
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