Working mans double

^Yet from the looks of them you'd think they were fragile as a porcelein vase. How did the meat taste?

Was good, I’m the wrong guy to ask, unless it’s really off and poorly handled (gamey) I like just about every game meat if it’s tender. My distinct memory of the giraffe meat is from that which we ate immediately after raw, thinly sliced, after sitting in vinegar and salt for an hour. We rolled it around a pickle or piece of cheese and it was really good, but I think anything would do for that. The rest I ate was in meals and tasted like all the other meat. :d


In the spirit of a fun discussion, I'll offer this. How large is "a large difference" between the 9.3x74R vs 9.3x62? 2329 fps vs 2362 fps = Norma factory load specifications with the same 286 gr. Oryx bullet. I haven't compared them side by side with the same bullet/manufacturer at a shooting range, but wouldn't be surprised if my 9.3x74 shot just a wee touch faster ( 24" barrel Beretta O/U ) than my 9.3x62 does ( 22" barrel Verney Carron bolt action). Seems like they are pretty similar to me.
Dr. Kevin Robertson ( Author of "The perfect Shot") has taken over 650 cape buffalo with his 9.3 x 62, he seems to think it is a bit more capable than the .30-06. I dunno, I have only shot one buffalo and used my .450-400 :).

No question, it’ll kill extremely well I can’t debate proven history. I’ve only had one 9.3x62, and thought it ran faster than that. I never chrono’d it and didn’t bother to google the speed, my mistake. It certainly kicked like my .375 (Sauer 202 Forest takedown). For cape buffalo I’m with you, only one, .375. At home have done several bison that are bigger than the Cape Buff with .30-06, 7x57, .375. .375 was the most impressive, 7x57 the least, all were 100% lethal and the furthest walk was about 15 yards, with the .375 dropping on the spot and .30-06 stumbling briefly and falling over. It wasn’t a 220gr .30-06 to stick to the facts.
 
I'd love to hunt bison! And I wouldn't feel undergunned hunting them with a .30-06 / 220 either. But I'd probably choose my .375. Wonder where a non resident could manage a hunt for wild bison that doesn't break the bank?
 
Some one warm up that pot of crow, time for me swallow a bit.

So I just test fired the Baikal 45/70 on some primed cases in the basement,compared pin strikes and success!!

let's just say sometimes you do indeed get what you pay for. Went to the range the other day and lo and behold the right barrel wouldn't fire, turned out to be a broken pin and I figured I'd just order one (wrong answer) Baikal Canada wouldn't respond to my emails, western gun parts said no luck. I was in a bit of a pickle so found some medium carbon steel in the form of a grade 8 bolt, spun up the old 13x40 lathe and built one. Tricky little bastard but managed it on the first piece, a little torch application to a dull red, into the oil and we're back in business.

Best part of the entire exercise though is I spent a bit of time with the dremel tool and some craytex wheels smoothing things out while I had it apart.

As the proud new custodian of Bare’s Baikal .30-06 SxS, mind if I trouble you for which pin broke? Presuming one of the two smaller ones, I’m thinking I’ll preemptively improve their quality as per your method. Can’t wait to shoot this thing.

Angus
 
I'd love to hunt bison! And I wouldn't feel undergunned hunting them with a .30-06 / 220 either. But I'd probably choose my .375. Wonder where a non resident could manage a hunt for wild bison that doesn't break the bank?

being invited by a yukon resident if ever we got those permits back: seems now only non resident guided by outfitters here. thank s to covid.
 
In the spirit of a fun discussion, I'll offer this. How large is "a large difference" between the 9.3x74R vs 9.3x62? 2329 fps vs 2362 fps = Norma factory load specifications with the same 286 gr. Oryx bullet. I haven't compared them side by side with the same bullet/manufacturer at a shooting range, but wouldn't be surprised if my 9.3x74 shot just a wee touch faster ( 24" barrel Beretta O/U ) than my 9.3x62 does ( 22" barrel Verney Carron bolt action). Seems like they are pretty similar to me.
Dr. Kevin Robertson ( Author of "The perfect Shot") has taken over 650 cape buffalo with his 9.3 x 62, he seems to think it is a bit more capable than the .30-06. I dunno, I have only shot one buffalo and used my .450-400 :).

his rifle has taken over 650 buffalos not him ...and i do agree the 9.3x62 is way more capable than the 30-06 the late Don Heath was telling me many stories were the 9.3x62 was very useful ...
 
I'm going to put in a word for hunting giraffe. And 9.3's. I was offered a chance to hunt giraffe last October in NW Namibia. The area we were in had been experiencing a severe drought for the last couple years. Worst in recorded history, almost 500 years. Game managers the whole region were very concerned about balancing the animals with the available habitat and food. A neighbouring property had just done a survey by helicopter with the aid of biologists and determined that there were about 90 giraffe in a particular area that could only support about 30, 40 at most. So they needed to reduce the herd by more than half. I was offered a chance to hunt giraffe there at less than the cost of kudu or gemsbok, both of which I'd already taken a couple of previously. I figured, why not give it a try, since they were going to be commercially harvested by professional cullers anyway. I could judge giraffe hunting for myself, and in the process, the "trophy" fee would be additional revenue that that would help pay for the management of all the animals, not just the giraffe. I was very glad I did.

I also took it as a chance to use my Merkel 140 AE, .450-400 3" Nitro Express on something even bigger & heavier than the Cape buffalo I had shot the previous week. Yes that's correct, mature giraffe are easily heavier than a buffalo. And they have thicker skin too. It was supposed to be a relatively "easy" hunt. It turned out anything but. We used binoculars and could spot giraffe in singles and small groups quite easily from the tops of the hills. Getting down into the sparse trees and then getting close enough to the correct young bull or old cow was another matter entirely.

We did something like six or seven stalks between dawn and late afternoon. Just try sneaking up to within 150 M of an animal with eyesight the equivalent of a pronghorn antelope but with those eyes mounted on top of a treetop - length neck. Those keen eyes were well clear of the branches, but their chests & vitals were usually effectively covered. We got a little frustrated as each time we tried, the giraffe moved off when we got within 200-300 meters. I wasn't about to try a neck shot with my Merkel at that range. Even though it is quite accurate, it is not that accurate. I'm not either. We even ran after some, knowing that they had spotted us and we had nothing to lose - except tearing our legs up on the thorn brush. But we failed to intercept. Each giraffe that we did spook seemed to be swallowed up by the countryside. Uncanny how they would make themselves disappear in relatively thin bush. We never got a second chance on any of them.

In the late afternoon, hot and tired and thirsty, I switched rifles to my Verney-Carron Impact Plus 9.3x62 with 6x S&B scope. That felt like a bit more appropriate equipment for the circumstances. My PH Johann and I spotted an ancient cow hanging out with a couple of younger ones. Once again we couldn't even get to 200 meters. Busted. On the long hot walk to meet the bakkie and our companions. we spotted a young bull moving towards us, not too far ahead. We snuck in for an intercept, and Johann set up the sticks when the bull got to about 150 meters. One carefully aimed shot and two quick follow up " insurance" shots high and well forward in the chest and we were done.
When we delivered the carcass to the butcher shop in town I learned that the giraffe meat was just as welcome for their biltong and sausage making as any game, and they were quite pleased to have the meat to work with. They paid the landowner well for the meat. I didn't get to try any, my only regret.

And Ardent, I respect your opinions and experience, but I must disagree with you on the efficacy of the 30-06 / 220 gr. vs. 9.3 / 286 gr. load. The Norma Oryx bullet I used is shown in the last photo. It penetrated about a meter of Giraffe, ( and through hide that was VERY thick) and made a permanent wound channel about double the size of what I'd expect from a .30 cal bullet. The giraffe only went about 20 M after a hit through the tops of both lungs. My PH would have refused if I asked to carry a .30-06 for this hunt.


glad to see the result of the Oryx bullet and it is very similar to the result i got in water not that i can compare a giraffe to milk jugs lol ...

i always heard good things about giraffe meat but never try it and i ate a lot of strange ones lol ...
and i always been lucky to eat kudu as the staff we had in CAR believed the meat will give leprosis ... so they had all the giraffe meat and i kept all the kudus ...
 
As the proud new custodian of Bare’s Baikal .30-06 SxS, mind if I trouble you for which pin broke? Presuming one of the two smaller ones, I’m thinking I’ll preemptively improve their quality as per your method. Can’t wait to shoot this thing.

Angus

Hey Angus,

It was the R/H barrel firing pin, One of the faults of the baikal as I came to discover is that the pin return spring is really weak and the design of the firing pin and Russian quality control can get you into trouble. If you dry fire these rifles on an empty chamber you're just begging for one of the pins to stick in the extended position and shear off when the action is opened. If it happens you'll have to machine one yourself which is a pretty big pain in the ass with the tolerances tight and the size of the average lathe tooling being a bit of overkill. There are no parts to buy.
I've got one about 50% finished if it happens and the only thing you'd have to do is turn the stop for the spring and striker area, of course you'd have to finish it to size in order to get enough but not too much pin projection.
The 45/70's especially hardly open far enough to remove or insert the cartridges, the answer is to remove metal on the backside of the foward lug on an angle to get the requisite clearance, once that's done though you'll have to build a set of cocking cams to match the geometry in order to compress the hammer springs enough to set but allow the gun to open in order to use the extra clearance. If you like messing around with guns they're going to allow you to knock yourself out. Rough edges abound and you'll want some small india stones and a few craytex shapes/grits to enable you to deal with them. If you do the triggers can be smoothed out considerably, pull reduced with a change in cocking springs and a pretty serviceable little rifle as a result.
 
Thank you Dave I was under the mistaken impression it was a cross pin, really appreciate that rundown. I‘ll cease dry firing her immediately, that’s a favourite practice for me in the basement on skulls. Look forward to doing some shooting with her, had the .45-70, this is my first time with the -06.
 
Thank you Dave I was under the mistaken impression it was a cross pin, really appreciate that rundown. I‘ll cease dry firing her immediately, that’s a favourite practice for me in the basement on skulls. Look forward to doing some shooting with her, had the .45-70, this is my first time with the -06.

I had a lot of fun with the 06 in the Baikal. I didn't run the pressures as high as you would in a bolt gun, the extractor is really small and doesn't grab much rim. Mid range book loads is all I ever ran in mine and never had a problem.

Good luck with your new Thug !!

Just thought I'd add that I have had pretty good success with peelable aluminum shim stock to regulate the vertical spread with these rifles, I add it to the floating barrel (right) in the cap at the end of the barrel to either raise or lower POI once I have the horizontal spread sorted out. ( Kind of like setting up the fuel controls and governors on a 212 but reversed as 2's the master and 1's the slave on the machine but the left barrel is the master and the right the slave on the rifle) Its pretty easy to cant the barrels and of course it affects the point of impact so if you're not inducing it this way you can usually take most or all of it out by experimenting with shim placement and thickness.

If you or any other baikal owner need some shim stock let me know as I can shear you off a strip of peelable shim to experiment with. My last piece of advice and then I'll shut up is to go slow on the regulation adjustments, the barrels heat quickly as they're thin in comparison to a bolt gun and you might think you have it sussed until the next time you take a cold left and right shot and see that just like Bob Dylan says, Things have changed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9EKqQWPjyo
 
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She’s a tart, having a great time with it, I had the .45-70 and spoke fondly of it, I just struggle to warm to the .45-70 cartridge itself. This .30-06 suits my interests really well, and shoots pretty well too. I threw three different weights, one of them hot 150s, at a 60yd box this morning and surprisingly, the 180s that it is apparently regulated for were the least impressive. This said, the regulation is adjustable of course, but I just started shooting it where it was set. All would kill the bear at 60 yards, and the 168s and 150s have the lead, can’t complain at all about those 168s. Something just seemed right about steel cased ammo in a Russian double so I had to grab a box to try.

My vote, with an H&H beside it to compare to? This is solidly, and very respectably a working man’s double.

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Glad to see another having fun with a baikal. I love my 4570. I hunt black bears in thick northern ontario bush. Mine has served me well and ive carried it cointless miles thru the bush and down logging roads and general excursions on week long back pack hunts. Its not pretty. Its not a threat to any of the british or german guns but they are a double and if you fire both barrels and the threat is still coming im not affraid to swap ends and club something to death. Ardents holland id gently set it down and take whats coming with hand to hand and edge weaponary instead. For thw price of admission the baikals cant be beat. For a close range thumper that handles well thru dense brush and fast to load and unload at the atv checking baits or chasing that bump in the night thru camp they cant be beat. Although last time guiding i was quite fond of my just right carbine. It didnt slip thru branches as well though
 
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