Guess...............

where in the OIC does it state a shotgun bore is measured any other way than after the chamber and before the choke?

There seems to be a persistence to ignore the fact on how to measure a shotgun bore... is it true ignorance or trolling? Is there another choice?



where does it state that it is measured that way?

The question is where does the Law define bore? why does the rcmp have 1 definition and the CBSA have another. Until bore is defined in law it is arbitrary no matter what your wiki page says. How hard is this for you to understand?

CBSA
Bore
the inside of the barrel of a firearm, from the throat to the muzzle, through which the projectile travels.

what is the legal definition of the throat of a firearm?

RCMP
"The interior dimensions of the barrel forward of the chamber but before the choke."

also can you remind me which one of these agencies make the law in Canada (wiki included)
 
where does it state that it is measured that way?

The question is where does the Law define bore? why does the rcmp have 1 definition and the CBSA have another. Until bore is defined in law it is arbitrary no matter what your wiki page says. How hard is this for you to understand?



what is the legal definition of the throat of a firearm?



also can you remind me which one of these agencies make the law in Canada (wiki included)

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where does it state that it is measured that way?

The question is where does the Law define bore? why does the rcmp have 1 definition and the CBSA have another. Until bore is defined in law it is arbitrary no matter what your wiki page says. How hard is this for you to understand?



what is the legal definition of the throat of a firearm?



also can you remind me which one of these agencies make the law in Canada (wiki included)

Unless you are crossing the border, who fricking cares what the CBSA thinks...
 
Unless you are crossing the border, who fricking cares what the CBSA thinks...


my point was that there is no legal definition of 'Bore' in Canadian law, and this is from another thread:

Correct on all points.

When the definition of SEMI AUTO mattered in classifying firearms, the government legislated a definition.
When the definition of HANDGUN mattered in classifying firearms, the government legislated a definition.
When the procedure for measuring a handgun barrel mattered in classifying handguns, the government legislated a measurement process.

There can be no certainty until either the government legislates a process for measure bores, or a judge creates one.

In being asked to create one, a bunch of options will be suggested by the crown and the defense. The defense will rely on PAST RCMP practice and guidance, which is consistent with CURRENT CBSA practice. The crown may rely on the CURRENT RCMP policy which was adopted within hours of the Public Safety Minister tweeting admonishments at the RCMP via twitter.


Regardless of what the judge rules, clearly the changing of the process which has significant legal consequences which jeopardize the liberty of millions of Canadians should not be so arbitrary as to be vulnerable to abrupt changes based on Bliar's Twitter Tantrums.

Ultimately, until a judge settles this for all, by either striking down the offending section of the regulations, or creating a legal standard for measuring bores, we simply can not know the classification of these firearms. Remember, these regulations were not crafted by technical experts in order to capture certain firearms within the prohibited class. They were crafted by idiot politicians in order to capture the votes of other idiots in Toronto and Montreal.

Once you accept that all firearms ownership is an act prohibited by law, it gets a lot easier to simply not know the answer to some of these questions.

this could be 1 reason why the opinion of the CBSA matters. [emphasis added]
 
Looky, I apologize for the "grow up" statement. This is frustrating for all of us. In my mind I was thinking of two guys who I usually shoot with who won't come out anymore for fear of violating the 20mm rule and think they are being silly. But who knows what to think? Or what is best for them. There are real everyday dangers including black-legged ticks and COVID and idiots signalling to turn but then almost T-bone you - then there are the theoretical risks and these include persecution for an interpretation of OIC made by some lawyer whose opinion of bore is just an opinion. Maybe he'll make a whack of money somehow deflecting reality to save us from an opinion he introduced in the first place. Phucking lawyers.
And then there's the virtue-signalling sock puppet shamelessly using Danforth and Nova Scotia events to totally screw the people that had nothing to do with anything. To spend 10 times the amount on useless further restrictions on the law-abiding shooters vs. real illegal gun enforcement when these May 1st measures would not have had any influence on how those tragedies unfolded. What a crock of crap.
What totally sucks with the bore restrictions are the guys with vintage dangerous game guns and 4, 6, or 8 gauge fowlers formerly safely sitting in a collection now prohibited. For no good reason. Yes, we're all shills on this bus.
 
You were legal without measuring muzzle with no tubes. Everyone has a snit when RCMP or CBSA interprets law in ways that are unreasonable. Now some are in a snit even though the RCMP is saying their interpretation is in favour of reasonableness. Grow up. Shoot your 12 gauge and 10 gauge choke-tubed guns or not. I choose to shoot mine without measuring or worrying one iota about consequences.

This is right. Why do we so often over complicate it
 
This is right. Why do we so often over complicate it

So just 10 days ago they announced a plan to take away virtually every restricted long arm in Canada and you guys are confident in the fairness and goodwill of your Liberal government. I guess all I can say to that is 'four legs good, two legs bad.'
 
So just 10 days ago they announced a plan to take away virtually every restricted long arm in Canada and you guys are confident in the fairness and goodwill of your Liberal government. I guess all I can say to that is 'four legs good, two legs bad.'

The plan is to take every gun. Don't kid yourself. It's just one step at a time. What drives me mad is the complicity and complacency of the gun owning community not currently affected.
 
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I'm not saying I implicitly trust those politicians. I'm saying that presently the shotguns in question are legal. I get that it might change.
 
Update released by the OFAH yesterday stated the RCMP CFP response to 10 & 12 gauge bore size. Any identifiable 10 or 12 gauge is good. Unidentifiable gauges will be measured.

Clear things up, or create more questions?
 
Update released by the OFAH yesterday stated the RCMP CFP response to 10 & 12 gauge bore size. Any identifiable 10 or 12 gauge is good. Unidentifiable gauges will be measured.

Clear things up, or create more questions?

question:

If i have an 8ga and get it stamped with 12ga is it gtg with no measurement cause it is identifiable as a 12ga??

similarly, if I have an old 410 with no marking am I going to get measured now?

see how stupid this is.
 
question:

If i have an 8ga and get it stamped with 12ga is it gtg with no measurement cause it is identifiable as a 12ga??

similarly, if I have an old 410 with no marking am I going to get measured now?

see how stupid this is.

Yes, it seems to get more stupid everyday.
 
Here is the actual quote:

"If the shotgun is identifiable as either 10 or 12 gauge, then it is accepted as being under 20mm. If the gauge is not identified by markings or otherwise, then it would depend on actual measurements."

Sound any better?
 
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