If concealed carry is allowed starting tomorrow, what pistol do you choose?

I've not shot many pistols but I am familiar with the MP...the 2.0 version looks like a good conceal candidate. I've seen some compact 1911 designs that look pretty good though.
 
Martin248 said:
Actually the reliability concerns bring up another point. Maybe the best thing to carry, if that's your concern, is 1. a 6-shot revolver.

2. Semis ARE complicated, and when 3. they jam, 4. fixing it is complicated. Especially 5. in a stressful situation. 6. You're going to have to cycle the slide, maybe clear a jam, tap the magazine, maybe rack the slide again--making sure not to short cycle it. And hope one of those things fixes whatever the complicated problem is. That is, 7. assuming you remembered to flip off the safety.

8. With a revolver, if you need to clear a malfunction, you just pull the trigger again. Even if you got 9. a squib most revolvers are built strong enough that the result of pulling the trigger again is TWO rounds go down range (and you get a massive recoil). In the same scenario 10. your autoloader is a pipe bomb and all those complex bits of machinery--extractors, magazines, slides, and such--will be flying off in every direction.
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Uh, no - just no...

1. nothing wrong with a revolver but not for the reasons you give;

2. no they're not - you ever pop the sideplate off a wheelgun?? Complex is an understatement;

3. again, no, not if it is a modern(ish) semi-auto of sound design and properly maintained, and fed quality ammunition - and I do believe that you're conflating "jam" with "stoppage" - two very different things. A stoppage can be cleared by the shooter quickly and with a minimum of fuss so long as they are trained and have a solid foundation in the skill of gunhandling (not usually the "casual" shooter), while a jam will require at least partial disassembly and potentially the services of an armourer;

4. no - not if it is a stoppage it isn't - if a legit "jam", then see above and yes it may be;

5. exposure equals composure...

6. that's not how a tap, rack, bang drill works, and if a stoppage it will in fact solve the issue quickly and easily;

7. "flipping off the safety" is a learned skill that, once ingrained, becomes second nature and only applies to SA auto-loaders. Not applicable for striker-fired pistols or DAO pistols (or the first round in TDA pistols carried hammer down on a chambered round);

8. this only applies to the malfunction caused by a dead primer or faulty round of ammunition resulting in a failure to fire - there are a host of other revolver malfunctions having nothing to do with ammunition that this will NOT solve (broken firing pin comes to mind - something I have seen far more of in wheelguns than in autoloaders, as pistols usually continue to function even with a broken FP as it is contained in the FP channel);

9. not sure where you got this but you are sadly misinformed... no - just no...

10. the only part of your missive that is at least partly true - having said that I have kaboomed a couple of Glocks (both due to bad ammo, both .40) one Glock (FP stuck forward and detonated the round out of battery - G21 .45ACP) and a Browning HP (overcharged reload - not mine, but I stopped shooting someone else's product on the spot and have not done so since). The Glocks all resulted in the floorplate being blown off the mag and the contents (spring, follower and remaining rounds) being blown out on to the ground, one G22 lost the extractor (no other damage to the others) and all 3 resulted in a stinging hand. The BHP resulted in a blown extractor, a cracked grip panel and nothing else... in all cases, the extractors blew to the 3 o'clock and the mag parts/contents were overtaken by gravity (OK, maybe with some extra help)...

If you've never suffered a stoppage or malfunction with a revolver, you just haven't shot them enough. As to pistols, I have several with over 100K through them and can count stoppages not related to bad ammo or N/S magazines on one hand...
 
Martin248 said:
Actually the reliability concerns bring up another point. Maybe the best thing to carry, if that's your concern, is a 6-shot revolver.

Semis ARE complicated, and when they jam, fixing it is complicated. Especially in a stressful situation. You're going to have to cycle the slide, maybe clear a jam, tap the magazine, maybe rack the slide again--making sure not to short cycle it. And hope one of those things fixes whatever the complicated problem is. That is, assuming you remembered to flip off the safety.

With a revolver, if you need to clear a malfunction, you just pull the trigger again. Even if you got a squib most revolvers are built strong enough that the result of pulling the trigger again is TWO rounds go down range (and you get a massive recoil). In the same scenario your autoloader is a pipe bomb and all those complex bits of machinery--extractors, magazines, slides, and such--will be flying off in every direction.
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Looks like you haven't shot revolvers enough to know that they all suffer from the exact same gigantic weakness, a tiny speck of dirt or unburnt powder getting lodged between the cylinder and ejector is enough to seize up and render any revolver inoperable.

Semi-auto handguns are galaxies ahead of revolvers when it comes to reliability, efficiency, capacity and ease of use, everything that counts in a defensive weapon.
 
GerardSamija said:
Yeah I know, problem being we live in a rather small (about 850 square feet) upper two floors of an old house with minimal storage space, and danged if I could figure out where a safe might squeeze into this mess. So trigger and ammunition box locks are the rule for me until I work some magic and find a place for a safe.
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It can be a small safe for one-two handguns, don't have to be a big 24 gun safe that only hold 10-12 unless they are cooeys or single shots.
 
marshall said:
It can be a small safe for one-two handguns, don't have to be a big 24 gun safe that only hold 10-12 unless they are cooeys or single shots.
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No handguns here, so no handgun safe needed. I got my RPAL last year along with the PAL but since then it's been looking more and more like policeigjt be going house to house for confiscations. I'd rather not put myself too high up the list by purchasing a restricted, for now.
 
GerardSamija said:
No handguns here, so no handgun safe needed. I got my RPAL last year along with the PAL but since then it's been looking more and more like policeigjt be going house to house for confiscations. I'd rather not put myself too high up the list by purchasing a restricted, for now.
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By doing that, you are letting the enemy win over your mind.
 
Dietz said:
By doing that, you are letting the enemy win over your mind.
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Perhaps. But in doing that, I'm also vastly reducing my risk of getting raided for no particular reason other than to steal my property. I've been lucky so far in that nothing I own is on the new prohibited list, but figure it's only a matter of time before that changes. I really don't want to deal with the stress of a police raid. That's just too stupid to contemplate.
 
GerardSamija said:
No handguns here, so no handgun safe needed. I got my RPAL last year along with the PAL but since then it's been looking more and more like policeigjt be going house to house for confiscations. I'd rather not put myself too high up the list by purchasing a restricted, for now.
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First, I want to say welcome to the firearms community and don't let anyone tell you what you should or shouldn't have - buy whatever guns you please. That's the way it should be.

But I do want to say I think you're overly concerned about the risk of being raided. Police aren't going house to house, and they don't have the power to do that either. If they want to come and see your guns they have to make an appointment with you, and not just any police, but specifically a firearms officer--and it's extremely rare that they would even do that. And even if they did, if you're following the law, so what?

My own personal view is that rights not exercised are often lost, and so to me it makes sense to own a handgun, an AR-15, and anything on some politician's hit list. But that's me, you do what makes sense to you.
 
chavacano said:
Well said. Something light , compact that won't rust with our body moisture. Loaded with 9mm +p+ rounds
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You don't really need +P+ in a compact, although +P can help a lot. If you google "ammoquest" you'll find a series of videos where they test a zillion kinds of 9mm ammo in compact firearms (4" barrel), through denim and ballistic gel, to find out what works best. Federal HST +P and Winchester Ranger-T (non +P) topped his list, with the non +P HST coming in second. Here in WA state I load my 9mm X-Compact with either Remington 147gr Golden Saber bonded jacketed hollowpoints (the non-bonded lose their jackets) or Winchester Ranger-T +P 147gr. The +P version came out after the ammoquest series apparently in response to some agency contract--I figure they had a reason, so I use that. I like to load heavy to keep the round subsonic, improve felt recoil, and achieve good barrier penetration.
 
Martin248 said:
First, I want to say welcome to the firearms community and don't let anyone tell you what you should or shouldn't have - buy whatever guns you please. That's the way it should be.

But I do want to say I think you're overly concerned about the risk of being raided. Police aren't going house to house, and they don't have the power to do that either. If they want to come and see your guns they have to make an appointment with you, and not just any police, but specifically a firearms officer--and it's extremely rare that they would even do that. And even if they did, if you're following the law, so what?

My own personal view is that rights not exercised are often lost, and so to me it makes sense to own a handgun, an AR-15, and anything on some politician's hit list. But that's me, you do what makes sense to you.
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Well said!
 
sunjeep24 said:
Sawed of shotgun under long coat like omar.
"Let the folks know...Omar is comin"

"You come at the king. You best not miss"
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Oh man. You reminded me again. I miss Omar. The guy was brutal, but he had a code, and his character really grew on me as that season progressed. Some rough endings to some good characters that year. A similar sort of end to 'The Veteran' - another great role, likewise ended by a child with a gun.
 
I like my Springfield XDe9. Thin grip, decent mag capacity. Previous EDC was XDs45 (except for occasional 1911 just for a change when don't need to conceal quite so well) . Decided prefer hammer over striker so traded XDs for XDe. Like decocker for just a bit extra safety margin with harder first pull.
 
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