canadaman30
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
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Not much love for 7mmRM..?.
Best do-it-all hunting caliber
- Thread starter RYoung
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- Western Manitoba
And the Danish (?) Sledge Patrol in Greenland have been using 30-06 M1917 for the same reason, in the similar/identical environment, for how long??
- Location
- Hamilton, Ontario
Personally I have an Axis 2 in 30.06
Great little rifle and it didn't break the bank
Great little rifle and it didn't break the bank
pete dobinson
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- Courtenay BC.
The 7mmRM is certainly a good all rounder as well. I prefer it to the 300 win mag for what I hunt.
- Location
- Prince Albert, Sk
Okay , I will now give my thoughts, although it ain't worth the keyboard I am typing it on. 
1. If you are recoil sensitive and you shoot a .308, 30/06 or 300WM , you won't shoot any of them proper in a hunting weight rifle until you can get that under control.
2. It may be appropriate to get said rifle in a chambering that is conducive to your abilities.If you won't/can't make competent kill shots past 200 yards, a .308 will be plenty.If you have the ability to extend your range based on skills and environment then you may need to step it up.
3. I had a do all rifle(what I considered do all) chambered in 7WSM , now I decided to get something that would extend my reach for potentially more specific needs if they arise in a few particular hunting situations.
I had a range and weight of bullet in mind that I figured would fit the situation that I had decided would be possible but also likely to happen and for that task I chose a 300WM.
Increasing your effective range through skill and equipment isn't a bad or evil thing.
If I have an animal at a range I know I can hit but don't feel the chambering would do it I'd feel pretty silly at the end of the day not taking the shot because I chose the wrong equipment.
1. If you are recoil sensitive and you shoot a .308, 30/06 or 300WM , you won't shoot any of them proper in a hunting weight rifle until you can get that under control.
2. It may be appropriate to get said rifle in a chambering that is conducive to your abilities.If you won't/can't make competent kill shots past 200 yards, a .308 will be plenty.If you have the ability to extend your range based on skills and environment then you may need to step it up.
3. I had a do all rifle(what I considered do all) chambered in 7WSM , now I decided to get something that would extend my reach for potentially more specific needs if they arise in a few particular hunting situations.
I had a range and weight of bullet in mind that I figured would fit the situation that I had decided would be possible but also likely to happen and for that task I chose a 300WM.
Increasing your effective range through skill and equipment isn't a bad or evil thing.
If I have an animal at a range I know I can hit but don't feel the chambering would do it I'd feel pretty silly at the end of the day not taking the shot because I chose the wrong equipment.
First, I have never felt silly at the end of the day not taking the shot, no matter what the reason is. I am not there to kill but to enjoy the sport.
Before a debate starts on that topic let me say that there is no recoil when shooting at an animal. The only time you feel recoil is when you are at the range and it is even worse when you are using the bench. But, If you don't spend a lot of time at the range you will never develop the skill and experience needed for those long range shots or to even know your capabilities.
Before a debate starts on that topic let me say that there is no recoil when shooting at an animal. The only time you feel recoil is when you are at the range and it is even worse when you are using the bench. But, If you don't spend a lot of time at the range you will never develop the skill and experience needed for those long range shots or to even know your capabilities.
Well,TrollGRG, to add to that, time spent at the range without practice shooting under field conditions will do little to develop the skill you need to make those shots.
It is amazing how many people spend hours, money, and time developing loads and shooting from the bench that never shoot at targets set at unknown distances, standing, sitting, or prone, but expect to do well afield.
It is quite an eye-opener to set 10 inch paper plates or balloons out randomly at ranges from 200 to 400 yards and watch the show. Humbling, to say the least.
Ted
It is amazing how many people spend hours, money, and time developing loads and shooting from the bench that never shoot at targets set at unknown distances, standing, sitting, or prone, but expect to do well afield.
It is quite an eye-opener to set 10 inch paper plates or balloons out randomly at ranges from 200 to 400 yards and watch the show. Humbling, to say the least.
Ted
International Harvester
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- Republic of Saskatchewan
30-06 chambered pre 64 Winchester Model 70 Standard grade. It's a classic, good looking rifle, that will appreciate in value if taken care of. The only centerfire rifle you'll ever need.
This.
We all know people with $2000 rifles, $3000 scopes that get them dialed, on the range, from a rest, without any wind.
I take a pack to the range, shoot a few prone off the pack like I would in the field. Then a few sitting and kneeling, using my Rhodesian sling. I don't know if I have ever seen anyone not shoot off a bench at my range.
I should do more at unknown range and offhand. I do most of my offhand shooting at gophers with a .22.
that is not for polar bear defence only but hunting as well ... but more because it is a nato round and tikka was willing to disclose and gave the right to built under patent ...
The topic at hand in this thread is a fair question - that is asked on a regular basis here on CGN. If fact it would be unusual if a new shooter didn't ask this age old question related to which do-it-all gun should I get...? Now the key to answering this question is "advice to a new shooter". And my advice is get something that has real manageable recoil. And the answer to that is a 30-30. It's is a practical caliber and has plenty of punch to knock deer down from in close to 150 yards with open sights. It's light to carry and can be set-up with open sights or a scope on some models. The ammo is always accessible, it's reliable, and in time, is predictable in it's ability to take down deer size game. It can be sighted in with open sights at 50 yards and the range can extend out from there. A new shooter wants his animals to be close as he\she lacks the experience in seeing the results of shooting an animal and doesn't want to miss.
So sight in with hearing protection as it makes the sound of the shot easier on the ears. And This can prevent a flinch from happening. Test different types of ammo for accuracy. Get good at this caliber and recoil level and learn to hunt proficiency. And learn how to skin and gut deer - then you can move up in caliber. This will give the best of all situations for a beginner where experience will open the doors to other possibilities.
So sight in with hearing protection as it makes the sound of the shot easier on the ears. And This can prevent a flinch from happening. Test different types of ammo for accuracy. Get good at this caliber and recoil level and learn to hunt proficiency. And learn how to skin and gut deer - then you can move up in caliber. This will give the best of all situations for a beginner where experience will open the doors to other possibilities.
Ardent
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
I agree with your methodology Highwind, and good points. I would however steer them towards a .243, it’s more effective than the .30-30 on game and has even lighter recoil, and a much improved trajectory.
Right, my point is if a .308 is trusted to deal with polar bears (and 3006 as someone pointed out) then do we really need to go into super magnums as a do it all round?
Barnes_270
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- Langley, BC
Yep. I love the 30-30, but for a new hunter a 243 is much more practical. Loaded with a quality bullet and you're good to go for deer, black bear, and even moose. A 80gr TTSX at 3300+ fps is highly effective.
Ardent
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
.308 would not be my first pick for a grizzly or polar bear stopper and its selection has much more to do with supply commonality and shooter recoil limitations than it does with being the ideal big bear defence cartridge. Those rifles are multi role, and at the end of the day are a military rifle. They’d be extremely unlikely to choose the best big bear cartridge with all that considered.
When Survivorman Les Stroud was doing his first episode in the Arctic, the local Inuit insisted he take a rifle to defend himself from polar bears. They gave him a .243.
