Appartment Defence Pistol?
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Not a myth, while HP may not expand 100% of the time (if it gets clogged up) it won't penetrate any more then FMJ. So if I have 80% chance it will expand I'll take it over 0% with FMJ.
About the 5.56 penetration you can't make a broad statements likes that...what kind of wall concrete? drywall? what handgun caliber .454casull? .22LR? What bullet type etc.
I'm not sure I understand your post? If you're referring to "some kids" as in those under legal age, their parents should monitor their online activities and PARTICIPATE in their childs life and life skills. IF you meant young (dare I say) men who are fresh into shooting. They're adults, and they know the rules. I'm no ones mother.
TDC
HP handgun ammo has a poor track record when it comes to drywall. A clogged HP acts like a standard FMJ. Expansion is not what you should be relying on for terminal effects. Where you put the rounds is far more important than what round and what bullet type you use.
The 5.56 statement was in reference to standard pistol calibres(9mm 40 S&W and 45 ACP). Again, all of the standard pistol rounds will penetrate an average of 4 rooms in a conventionally built home. Apartment buildings or concrete structures are anyone's guess. My point, if I'm going to throw rounds from inside to outside with the goal of putting rounds into some bad guy. I'll go for the shotgun or the 5.56 carbine over the handgun. The length of the long arm is not much longer than a solid two handed pistol stance, is far more accurate and it provides much better terminal effects.
TDC
Mopar guy,
Your last sentence is great advice for politicians. As I mentioned above. What people take from this site, other sites, or from the voices in their heads is entirely their choice. It is also entirely their concern. Perhaps those who are so easily swayed should think for themselves, instead of letting others do it for them.
I do think about what I write, and think it through before writing. I often edit my posts. If I were to sensor my posts to a level where no one of weak constitution could misconstrude the information or personal opinions expressed within. There would be little substance to my posts. I can only imagine the same would be true for most of the CGN members.
This site is an adult site. Its set up for "big boys". There is a youth forum for heavily censored non thought provoking discussions. This however, is not that forum.
TDC
Your last sentence is great advice for politicians. As I mentioned above. What people take from this site, other sites, or from the voices in their heads is entirely their choice. It is also entirely their concern. Perhaps those who are so easily swayed should think for themselves, instead of letting others do it for them.
I do think about what I write, and think it through before writing. I often edit my posts. If I were to sensor my posts to a level where no one of weak constitution could misconstrude the information or personal opinions expressed within. There would be little substance to my posts. I can only imagine the same would be true for most of the CGN members.
This site is an adult site. Its set up for "big boys". There is a youth forum for heavily censored non thought provoking discussions. This however, is not that forum.
TDC
Although I bought them as a novelty, I did not know they were gimmicky, have not tried them out yet.
Well the warning in the photo indicate they do cycle semi autos, but should not be used in revolvers? None the less, these are the stats:
aprox 210 pelets, 1/3 oz, #9 shot
What do you think, would they cause any damage or just be annoying?
it will tick him off pretty food instead of robbing you he might kill you instead and the box of truth did something on these kinds of rounds they are best left for snakes and rodents not live hostile threats
after all is said and done if you can't escape a situation with good awarness of your surroundings then there's no better stopping power than an 18" (or is that 18.5"legal barrel lenght) 12 gauge.
All you need is some decent 00 buck and more importantly good training on how to manage that night time breaking glass situation. You should be able to make that stopping shot at 10 yrds in a hurry and to clear your home and retreat to a safe place.
Remember you're only likely to be only half as good in that high stress situation as your best day on the range.
just my thoughts
Jonsey
All you need is some decent 00 buck and more importantly good training on how to manage that night time breaking glass situation. You should be able to make that stopping shot at 10 yrds in a hurry and to clear your home and retreat to a safe place.
Remember you're only likely to be only half as good in that high stress situation as your best day on the range.
just my thoughts
Jonsey
There are some interesting points but something Im curious about is that if your firearm and munitions are storred as per the Firearms Act/Canadian Criminal code SecIII AND assuming you are even in OR close to the room in which your Firearms/Munitions are stored. The time required/noise generated while said intrudor is still within your household are just too many variables to contend with to say one can locate there firearm to defend there residence.
Like many others on this site it is frustrating to know that I can't use a firearm to defend what is lawfully mine be it a place of residence to familly members. I think one thing important to remember is that when we use a firearm for self defence the firearm and munitions are always easily available not just for that low life who wishes to casue harm to law abiding citizens like us, it is also within easy access to anyone in our homes be it ourselves, intrudors even our children. Regardless of how educated Canadians are for firearm posession mistakes and mishaps still occur.
But think about this; instead of using a firearm which may be used against us OR miss the intended target and injure and innocent what about the ever nostalgic baseball bat?
"Gee officer Im not sure what happened, he broke into my place I got scared yelled at him and I guess he ran and tripped and fell down the stairs"
Like many others on this site it is frustrating to know that I can't use a firearm to defend what is lawfully mine be it a place of residence to familly members. I think one thing important to remember is that when we use a firearm for self defence the firearm and munitions are always easily available not just for that low life who wishes to casue harm to law abiding citizens like us, it is also within easy access to anyone in our homes be it ourselves, intrudors even our children. Regardless of how educated Canadians are for firearm posession mistakes and mishaps still occur.
But think about this; instead of using a firearm which may be used against us OR miss the intended target and injure and innocent what about the ever nostalgic baseball bat?
"Gee officer Im not sure what happened, he broke into my place I got scared yelled at him and I guess he ran and tripped and fell down the stairs"
Newgun80,
Accessing the combination lock on my shotgun stored under the bed takes no time at all. A safe is another story. The unauthorized access issue is one that should be addressed by the owner. I grew up with firearms in the house that were never locked and ammo was readily accessible. Not once did I ever touch Dad's guns. Your life was on the line and death was no joke. That being said, its still a good idea to use a lock of some sort.
blunt objects such as baseball bats are less than ideal for self/home defense. They limit your range, they require you to close the distance with your attacker and they provide no advantage against firearm carrying criminals or multiple attackers.
The use of a blunt instrument such as a baseball bat can be a sticky situation. When does striking an intruder go from self defense to grievous bodily harm or assault? Is it a difference of two hits, three, maybe just one extra hit? You can bet your last dollar the dirt bag you put a beating on will sue your ass. Dead men tell no tales. Shooting an intruder is far more difficult to prove as a malicious act not warranted in the situation. "I shot him once.." is quite reasonable for self defense. Sure you shot him with OO buck and killed him instantly. The difference is whether or not you had control or the ability to limit the amount of force used.
Self defense is legal, provided you only use enough force as is necessary to repell the attack. The trick is proving the force used was only enough necessary to repell the attack and no more.
TDC
Accessing the combination lock on my shotgun stored under the bed takes no time at all. A safe is another story. The unauthorized access issue is one that should be addressed by the owner. I grew up with firearms in the house that were never locked and ammo was readily accessible. Not once did I ever touch Dad's guns. Your life was on the line and death was no joke. That being said, its still a good idea to use a lock of some sort.
blunt objects such as baseball bats are less than ideal for self/home defense. They limit your range, they require you to close the distance with your attacker and they provide no advantage against firearm carrying criminals or multiple attackers.
The use of a blunt instrument such as a baseball bat can be a sticky situation. When does striking an intruder go from self defense to grievous bodily harm or assault? Is it a difference of two hits, three, maybe just one extra hit? You can bet your last dollar the dirt bag you put a beating on will sue your ass. Dead men tell no tales. Shooting an intruder is far more difficult to prove as a malicious act not warranted in the situation. "I shot him once.." is quite reasonable for self defense. Sure you shot him with OO buck and killed him instantly. The difference is whether or not you had control or the ability to limit the amount of force used.
Self defense is legal, provided you only use enough force as is necessary to repell the attack. The trick is proving the force used was only enough necessary to repell the attack and no more.
TDC
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Friend of mine used to handload shells with rock salt for self defense. Wouldn't want to be on the other end of that one.
Personally I'd just use an unloaded 870, the chances of a robber having a pistol loaded and ready to go is slim to none. Most B&E's are either unarmed, or have a knife at most, usually done by people on some kind of narcotics.
I've dealt with two B&E's, they were scary, and thank god neither had a firearm. An unloaded 870 should scare the crap out of any intruder to have him go down.
Personally I'd just use an unloaded 870, the chances of a robber having a pistol loaded and ready to go is slim to none. Most B&E's are either unarmed, or have a knife at most, usually done by people on some kind of narcotics.
I've dealt with two B&E's, they were scary, and thank god neither had a firearm. An unloaded 870 should scare the crap out of any intruder to have him go down.
Newgun80 - Non-restricted firearms can be "displayed" with merely a trigger lock (or similar lock to render them inoperable) and they cannot be within easy access to ammo, though it doesn't say the ammo needs to be securely locked up or in a separate room. A combo trigger lock, from what I read, can come off in a manner of seconds, then grab some shells from inside a drawer a load up, I guess.
I do agree with the baseball bat thing, though. I have a bat, solid stainless steel club, big-ass Rambo-knife & machete under my bed. I may get a tactical 870 style shotgun to go with them.
I do agree with the baseball bat thing, though. I have a bat, solid stainless steel club, big-ass Rambo-knife & machete under my bed. I may get a tactical 870 style shotgun to go with them.
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Get a non-restricted rifle that takes a bayonet. Now you have a spear and a club all in one, purpose designed for hand to hand combat. Now if someone started waving a big old pigsticking bayonet attatched to a rifle, id better damn well have something better than your average knife, bat or crowbar to even my chances of getting gutted like a fish.
If that doesnt scare him off, a good #### of the action will.
If that doesnt scare him off, a good #### of the action will.
sixty9santa
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
I'd get an 8.5" barreled (threaded for a choke) shot gun with pistol grips only and a removable mag. I'd then load her up with bird shot.
Bird shot at close range with a choke is like having 00buck but with a lot less penetrating power after dispersal.
Just an opinion tho...
Bird shot at close range with a choke is like having 00buck but with a lot less penetrating power after dispersal.
Just an opinion tho...
