Remington shotguns going down hill?

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I personally have noticed that recently Remington's Express lign of shotguns is going down hill. I have had the opportunity to test two alongside a winchester 1300 this waterfowl season and have to say that both remingtons that i used were junk compared to the winchester.The remington's would not feed shells that the winchester chambered and fired with no problem also the remington's tended to jam and finally both guns seemed very cheaply made. I used the plain 870 express and an 870 Turkey model. What do you remington fan's have to say about this? Am I hallucinating or are others finding the same things?
 
This should be good for some lively discussion!

While your comparison is between current Remington and Winchester models, in my opinion both, if not all, makers' material and workmanship quality levels are on a downhill slide that started 100 years ago. (London "best" gun makers and a few other exceptions, of course.)
 
you maybe somewhat correct.however to say all gunmakers except London's best are going downhill is nonsense. i've had the opportunity to disassemble many many older guns, pre 1935, and some of these guns were almost an early version of throwaway. there are many firearms being built today that are better than they ever were.i sometimes think this ever present theory that nothing is built like it used to be ,has taken over everyones thinking.
 
Turkeyslayer 1300 said:
I personally have noticed that recently Remington's Express lign of shotguns is going down hill. I have had the opportunity to test two alongside a winchester 1300 this waterfowl season and have to say that both remingtons that i used were junk compared to the winchester.The remington's would not feed shells that the winchester chambered and fired with no problem also the remington's tended to jam and finally both guns seemed very cheaply made. I used the plain 870 express and an 870 Turkey model. What do you remington fan's have to say about this? Am I hallucinating or are others finding the same things?
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I'm finding the same things with more recently produced Remington products.

I had to have a machinist clean up burrs from the chamber of a new Remington Wingmaster 28 gauge before it would function. The new Remington 870P I bought had a very rough bore compared to older models.

The new 105CTi is suspect. The one sample that showed up at our club needed to go back to Remington repeatedly to be made right. The rib was a mess and the gun didn't feed and function properly. The 105CTi was supposed to be Remington's answer to their competition. Not even in the same class IMO.

I currently own a late 80's Wingmaster and an early 90's 1100. Put either of them beside a new gun and it's not hard to see how far Remington's quality has fallen. :(
 
Turkeyslayer 1300 said:
What do you remington fan's have to say about this? Am I hallucinating or are others finding the same things?
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I think in recent years, Reminton has taken a dump. Not just the express line, but their entire line, including the 700. Still advertised as legiondary out of the box accuracy should be an embarasement to the company. Sure most 700 have the potentail, but only after a lot of bedding, and trigger work and carefull loading.
 
12magnum said:
you maybe somewhat correct.however to say all gunmakers except London's best are going downhill is nonsense. i've had the opportunity to disassemble many many older guns, pre 1935, and some of these guns were almost an early version of throwaway. there are many firearms being built today that are better than they ever were.i sometimes think this ever present theory that nothing is built like it used to be ,has taken over everyones thinking.
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If you're saying that I generalise and that there are still some quality pieces being made, as there was crap built in the past, I agree.

If you're saying that, generally speaking, the quality of modern arms are as good as their hand-made forerunners, I maintain my original position. Most of the mainstream manufacturers today crank out mass produced products built largely out of stamped or cast parts. Just this past weekend, I bought an AH Fox BE grade SXS for $625 CDN. An equal to this 90 yr old gun is not available today for less than $10K, IMO.
 
straightshooter said:
This should be good for some lively discussion!

While your comparison is between current Remington and Winchester models, in my opinion both, if not all, makers' material and workmanship quality levels are on a downhill slide that started 100 years ago. (London "best" gun makers and a few other exceptions, of course.)
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I would not say all, but I would agree that most are on downhill slide! few other exceptions, of course:D
 
My 870 is about two years old:

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...and I've never had a problem with it.

The action is smooth and the more that it's used, the smoother it gets. It's currently at the 'smith having a rail installed on the receiver (for a Trijicon Reflex sight that's sitting on my desk looking for a home) and getting the Knoxx SpecOps swapped out for a Mesa Tactical recoil reducing M4. A Streamlight TLR-1 gets mounted on the mag extension's tri-rail.

When I get it back, I'll have to take an updated pic.

I 'enjoy' my 870.

:cool:
 
my 870 express Super Mag is 1yr old and has not had a problem. I shoot it alot as well. I had an older 870 wingmaster and it cycled SO much smoother, but it's a different class of gun than the express.
 
teclaydon said:
My 870 is about two years old:

...and I've never had a problem with it.

I 'enjoy' my 870.

:cool:
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I guess you balance out ALL of those who seem to register complaints against recent Remington products.:) BTW Nice Gun!


BUT....I recall a time not too long back that I never heard a complaint about a wingmaster. Going from very seldom hearing of a problem to some have problems and some do not, seems to be a definate down hill slide.
 
Sweet! I have the same shotgun, pistol grip and stock. Like the additions you are making. Have the itch to do the same. :D

teclaydon said:
My 870 is about two years old:

tcs_870_18Mar07.jpg


...and I've never had a problem with it.

The action is smooth and the more that it's used, the smoother it gets. It's currently at the 'smith having a rail installed on the receiver (for a Trijicon Reflex sight that's sitting on my desk looking for a home) and getting the Knoxx SpecOps swapped out for a Mesa Tactical recoil reducing M4. A Streamlight TLR-1 gets mounted on the mag extension's tri-rail.

When I get it back, I'll have to take an updated pic.

I 'enjoy' my 870.

:cool:
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cbabes said:
"...Sweet! I have the same shotgun, pistol grip and stock. Like the additions you are making. Have the itch to do the same..."
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When I get it back from the 'smith (in a week or so), I'll post a few pics with all the new goodies.

;)
 
I had a lot of extracting problems with my 3 years old 870 Express. But I didn't get any problem with my 700 LSS: accurate with a high quality and very nice looking wooden stock
 
I have been a Remigton 870 guy since my dad bought me one in 1978. I just purchased a 870 Express 12 ga 3" with laminate stock. Before I even shot it I polished the chamber with metal polish and fine steel wool. This gun is as relaible as my old 870 is. My nephew purchased the same gun and experienced "jamming" (stuck cartridge in chamber) with aluminum headed Winchester loads. I polished his and it is OK. I also flat filed the rear 4" of the rib as it was like a saw blade on your hand. Remington is still a good shotgun , just needs the owner to complete the steps the factory left out. As for the Winchester 1200, 120, 1300, 1500, 2200 series it is totally reliant upon a small screw that has 4 threads and locks the breech bolt to the action bars. I have owned and discarded a few of these over the years. A local smith made a good few bucks using heavier screws and re D and T ing the Winchester factory effort. I must admit though the Winchester is indeed a "speed pump".

cheers Darryl
 
i think anytime something is produced in high numbers this can happen. firearms have been mass produced, based on the technology of the day, for over a hundred years. handmade guns have been the exception for a long , long time.i will say this. if every new,out of the box firearm was given a thorough degreasing and cleaning before it was shot, and that includes a good chamber cleaning with a chamber brush, a lot of these feeding problems wouldn't happen. the 870 express is also rem's economy line pump shotgun.
 
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