finally got my DG rifle

You could go a completely different direction than has been suggested here, when I bought my .458 win mag, I wanted a "repeater bolt gun" with comparable performance to some of the bigger BP rifles of old. It completely fir the bill...4 shot (3 in mag, one down the pipe) with almost 90 gr of BP under a 350 gr slug, cast or jacketed, didn't mater which.

Recoil was very manageable compared to the 500 gr factory stuff that came with the gun.
 
I have the same gun M77 Tang in .458, mine is very accurate, for anything in North America and most anything anywhere else the 350 Hornady is a supreme killer, I use IMR 4198 and load it to 2350, this is all you will ever need! and brass lasts a long time ( you can go up to 2550 FPS ,but not necessary ) Max loads with the heavies are also fun, and from personal experience a 500 Hornady at 2100 will kill a small whitetail with no meat damage.
 
fingers284 said:
You could go a completely different direction than has been suggested here, when I bought my .458 win mag, I wanted a "repeater bolt gun" with comparable performance to some of the bigger BP rifles of old. It completely fir the bill...4 shot (3 in mag, one down the pipe) with almost 90 gr of BP under a 350 gr slug, cast or jacketed, didn't mater which.

Recoil was very manageable compared to the 500 gr factory stuff that came with the gun.
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don't know if i was to put a nice gun through BP mess and i will run BP through anything my mosin been looking like it needs BP.
 
hoytcanon said:
I use reduced loads with the Hornady 350's, both #4502 & #4503 in my M77 RSM .458... Really good bear loads. Get rid of the shytey Bushnell Banner and put on something that can handle the recoil.
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the scope came with it its kind of an old one its a 1.5-4x20 that would look good on something else i own. im not really a scope guy even though i should be with my eyes being as bad as they are.
 
antiqueguy said:
anyone know of an express sight that will go into the dovetail on the rear sight mount?
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Consider the NECG peep... It works very well for many, especially if your eyesight is beginning to fail... I am beyond the help of a peep and it is scopes only from now on. The NECG peep locks onto the rear scope detent.
 
hoytcanon said:
Consider the NECG peep... It works very well for many, especially if your eyesight is beginning to fail... I am beyond the help of a peep and it is scopes only from now on. The NECG peep locks onto the rear scope detent.
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its not that i can't pick you the sights so much as the front post and rear groove are tiny i like a bigger v notch and past 10 yards i can't see the X on our clubs targets. i will look up them though they sound interesting never used a peep before.
 
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I am 65. Never tried a peep sight until 5 years ago - should have been doing that 50 years ago!! Very slick! There is a trick - do not look at the peep - look through it - both eyes open - try to get the front sight in as clear focus as you can. Essentially ignore that rear peep. The clearest view of the tip of front sight (I prefer a flat top post for this) is when it is perfect dead centre in that rear aperture - just focus on the front sight and let the aperture go fuzzy - let physics do its thing. Your open "off side" eye will keep the target in sight and clear enough to hit - and, yes, your brain can very easily accommodate two different views at the same time and put them together. Just needs some practice. My former boss was a US Marine in his younger days - all they have used, apparently, since early 1900's.

Front sight in as sharp a focus as you can, rear sight a fuzzy "donut" and target may get a bit fuzzy as well, through your "shooting eye", but ignore that - want that front sight as sharp as your eyes will let you. I installed one on my Ruger 10/22 and on my 1955 Win 94. My son had one installed on his 94/22. My Zastava 458 Win Mag has a "flip up" "peep" installed on the rear scope base.
 
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so the best part is this rifle cost me nothing the bike were givin to me from my dad who knew nothing about bikes.
they had been sitting around for a few months and i was never going to get to them so off they went when buddy offered me this.

its not the double i always wanted but it will have to suffice.

it hardly looks used other then some bluing wear at the muzzle and a few safe kisses on the stock. it will be a toss up what i take for spring black bear next year the Lee Enfield MLE sporter or this
 
antiqueguy said:
don't know if i was to put a nice gun through BP mess and i will run BP through anything my mosin been looking like it needs BP.
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Mine was a Winchester Custom Shop mod 70 "Safari Express" offering, I had the same misgivings...for about 3 minutes... then it went away.

The solid frame mount peep sight is a usable option in some cases but not all. for a hunting rig the aperture has to be big enough for easy animal acquisition in the window and are a "one distance" rig (unless you install a "vernier, or Marbles post type", especially with the "pumpkin chucker" trajectory of a .458 slug...not that the gun/caliber is incapable of a longer shot than the sights are regulated for. The problem is that when you "hold over" the gun barrel completely hides the target . I have many rifles with peeps on them that I use at measured distances but for a hunting rig, a scope is much more "user friendly".
 
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The 458wm is a great cartridge for handloading. The rem bulk 405gr jacketed bullet is wonderful on black bears. Makes a hell of a hole but flattens them quick. 72gr of h4895 behind one of those is a nice easy load with more than velocity for any north american game. I also use the same charge with 400gr ppsn woodlieghs. Zeroed at 100 yards its only 8" low at 225 yards. I have a 26.5" barrel but it shoots flat enough to surprise most
I have a bushnell elite 3200 2-7x32 and its stood up to more than a thousand rounds and hundreds of miles on my quad over the years
300gr hp at 2600fps should make a great varmint load as well lol
 
brybenn said:
The 458wm is a great cartridge for handloading. The rem bulk 405gr jacketed bullet is wonderful on black bears. Makes a hell of a hole but flattens them quick. 72gr of h4895 behind one of those is a nice easy load with more than velocity for any north american game. I also use the same charge with 400gr ppsn woodlieghs. Zeroed at 100 yards its only 8" low at 225 yards. I have a 26.5" barrel but it shoots flat enough to surprise most
I have a bushnell elite 3200 2-7x32 and its stood up to more than a thousand rounds and hundreds of miles on my quad over the years
300gr hp at 2600fps should make a great varmint load as well lol
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in my part of southern ont I'm limited to .243/6mm and under so not so much for varmints that said if i see a yote while hunting black bear it will be dropped.
 
The Province limits you to 270 in some counties, but some of those counties have bylaws that further limit what you can use. There are no centerfire rifle seasons for big game in those counties anyway (bow, shotgun and muzzle loader only for deer). You can only use a centerfire for small game including coyotes in those counties.

Jim
 
I have been keeping an eye out for a Zastava in .375 H&H. Epps just got a couple in, but left handed. They also have a couple in 458Wm that I managed to talk myself out of. Then one in 458 came up on the EE last night, BNIB, $650 plus shipping. Sooo.... now looking for brass and dies. Hoyt do you mind if I PM you about some more details on your load data?

Jim
 
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