Ipsc Classifications ?

[txcapo]

Why would USPSA fees get kicked back to Canada? USPSA classifier fees go towards USPSA expenses, to expect otherwise is assinine.

Gee, I dunno. Maybe to get Canada to promote them? It's called "an incentive".

I've been told that the person who "created" ICS( re: looked at the USPSA's system and decided to bastardise it) gets a cut of the mission ICS fee, is that true? if so why?

Gee, I dunno. I was told Elvis is still alive and living in Memphis.

maybe we should compare IPSC's finacial report to USPSA's, oh wait, IPSC doens't publish one to their members. Where can I buy those IPSC cigars I've seen the Pres(Nick) smoking? How's the IPSC store doing in sales this year? Does IPSC get any money from the armscor match ammo program?

I've never seen an IPSC financial report but the agenda of the annual meeting posted at the global village says they're sent to Regional Directors so why don't you ask IPSC Canada for a copy? If you wanna buy the same cigars as Nick, grow a pair of stones and ask him where he gets his instead of implying he's spending our money on his cigars.

BTW, did you pass a graduate degree with honors or are you naturally such an ass?

 

[johnespos]

Guys, lets leave the bashing although somewhat entertaining out of this and stick to IPSC and the present system of classifications. Can someone suggest something better than the change that was forced on us, or should we just let it alone?

 

[Quigley]

Guys, lets leave the bashing although somewhat entertaining out of this and stick to IPSC and the present system of classifications. Can someone suggest something better than the change that was forced on us, or should we just let it alone?

John I don't recall hearing squat from you when we were canvassing for suggestions. We presented 3 choices, based on feedback from the membership...and it was voted on by the IPSC Ontario Club Reps (as well as the board)

It was time for a change...and we kept the members in the loop the entire time.

Q

 

[Walter Hornby]

Sorry Mike I disagree with you on having preset hit factors in place. Who decides what a reasonable hit factor is for a stage. I can tell you that what I think is one and what a GM thinks is one is probably different by at least 10%. I would hope that once we have a reasonable amount of data in the database that IPSC will look at taking the next logical step and make it a fix classification for X amount of time.

Of course the problem is when you are trying to establish a world system there is always going to be compromises. To me the best way to make changes is to work with the system and make logical rational (i.e. no reverting to school yard language) and to make positive suggestions.

 

[johnespos]

I suggested that the level 2&3 combos were good. I did not think that the ICS part was a good idea because no club would do them in the L 1 and L 2 matches. This has been the case has it not. We have had a lot more matches but ICS was not implemented in them. I am a member of three clubs, Barrie, Gormely and Sharon. The clubs there have no interest in ICS in the matches. As far as hearing from me, no one was listening. Also I recall not to many understood or liked the three choices given. I was also given the impression that our input was not required. We were only asked to pick one of the three choices.
May I suggest that we get rid of the ICS part and keep the rest? Is it too much to ask to modify to better the system? I am trying to help not criticize here. I also welcome any sound input to better the system. I am only suggesting that we modify the system to work better for its members.
We changed the system, but change is continuos in order achieve perfection.
Walter, you make a good point.

 

[Madness]

Walter the HHF would be generated by having the stage shot at a major championship the year before it is added to the list of useable stages, no guessing or estimateing. The hit factor that wins the stage at the match becomes the starting HHF, unless everyone in the match screws the pooch on the stage then it would need to be shot at a different match before becoming an official classifier stage.
TXcapo, did you happen to read the forum rules at all? no need to jump to personal attacks as soon as someone disagrees with you.
-ICS royalty to an individual, $1 per score, has been verified by a member of Ontario's BOD.
-Elvis is alive and he's fighting Egyption zombies down south, didn't you see Bubba Hotep?
I still don't see why you would expect the USPSA to put money into another region. To promote what? Canada's not going to become area 9 so why send funds up here when we pay dues to our own region.
We shouldn't have to specificaly ask for a finacial report, USPSA publishes it in front sight for all there members to see.
No degree needed, self taught and quite adept at it when I choose, and as luck would have it you seem like the type that requires it.

 

[Slavex]

hey look I can weigh in here with my Admin boots. txcapo you are one post away from being booted from this site. what part of no personal attacks don't you understand?

beyond that? ICS sucks.

 

[Madness]

The choices provide for the vote were all pretty lame. We weren't really picking the best option , more like the one that sucked the least. But the votes went in and we have what we have so we can either try to make it work or prove that the system is flawed to the point that it requires repair. Both optins offer their own challenges and amusement.
I hope I didn't come off sounding like an ass,,, no ,,, wait,,,,never mind, I don't really give a ####.

 

[viper7]

I'm not classified nationally and really couldn't be bothered.

When I shoot the nats I shoot against the best in the country and see how I stack up. I could care less about another GD trophy. I learn new stuff every time I go.

I like shooting against the two mikes and the rest of the standard boys in the top ten, and love knowing that if they screw up this much, I'm on them. Hard.

That's good sport and good fun in my book.

I shoot the FLA open every year too and I'll probably shoot limited this year just to see where I stack up against that Jarret wanker.

To sum up, I ignore the ICS system. It adds nothing to my game or my pleasure.

 

[raks]

However for the rest of us that are not as talented being able to go to the Nationals and have a chance to win an award is one of the reasons why we go.

Division awards are why I get classified. I think the ICS can work but it does need time - in a sport that's measured in 100'ths of seconds maybe we're all just a little impatient???

 

[txcapo]

txcapo you are one post away from being booted from this site. what part of no personal attacks don't you understand?

The slingbacks are out of character for me. Madness is entitled to his opinion about ICS just like everyone else, but he started the insults by using the jerk-off icon, then he implied Prez. Nick (a friend of mine!) used IPSC funds to pay for his cigars, and this is all concealed in a slush fund somewhere in the financial reports that no-one is allowed to see.

A bit too much sh*t slinging from him for a discussion about the ICS, don't ya think?

Peace!

 

[Madness]

I just asked where to buy them,and mentioned that we don't see a report from IPSC world, not implying anything, never used any smilies in my posts either , untill now.
If a little icon can get you that fired up then maybe fourms aren't for you.
Banana time

 

[Slavex]

txcapo-thank you. and if you think is #### slinging, just hang around for a bit, it's just getting started.

 

[Double Tap Sports]

The slingbacks are out of character for me. Madness is entitled to his opinion about ICS just like everyone else, but he started the insults by using the jerk-off icon, then he implied Prez. Nick (a friend of mine!) used IPSC funds to pay for his cigars,[ and this is all concealed in a slush fund somewhere in the financial reports that no-one is allowed to see.]

A bit too much sh*t slinging from him for a discussion about the ICS, don't ya think?

Peace!

IPSC must and needs to have audited financial statements available to the membership..if they are available where can one get a copy?

 

[Walter Hornby]

I beleive the proper channel would be to request one from your SC who will have to ask the RD for one.

 

[maxpig]

I'm not classified nationally and really couldn't be bothered.

When I shoot the nats I shoot against the best in the country and see how I stack up. I could care less about another GD trophy. I learn new stuff every time I go.

So then you are classed nationally...

 

[maxpig]

BS. The IPSC version is a tool for average shooters to see how they compare to top shooters in the ROTW.

The USPSA version exists as a cash cow for money to pay their staff, to feed egos, and to help sand baggers claim prizes at matches. On top of classifier fees, the USPSA also has a Mission Count to get even more money out of shooters. Those reasons are why our club dropped USPSA like the money-hungry grabbers they are.

My understanding and correct me if I'm wrong... but for a Foreign club to become affiliated with USPSA it's a annual fee of 200.00USD and that's it... the club can then hold as many matches as they want with as many classifiers as they want during that year... That's according to the information package they sent me when I was Windsor's IPSC league Rep. couple of years ago...

Regarding the one thing you did actually aim at IPSC Ontario...Level 1 Mission Fees:

As far as I'm aware we only charge a mission fee for Level 1 matches if a new member is using it as their qualifier match (to get their Blue Card Signed) but I'll double check on that...as soon as I finish my cigar

And Quigley yes .. in Ontario if you do not host 1 level II or better in a calendar year all level 1 matches are subject to a mission fee per competitor or it will not be sanctioned by IPSC Ontario. As well as matches that are qualifiers for BB

 

[viper7]

So then you are classed nationally...

If I am, I don't know about it.

 

[Quigley]

And Quigley yes .. in Ontario if you do not host 1 level II or better in a calendar year all level 1 matches are subject to a mission fee per competitor or it will not be sanctioned by IPSC Ontario. As well as matches that are qualifiers for BB

Well smack my ass and call me Suzi...you' re right

Page 2 paragraph 3...I was never much one for fine print

I guess I owe you a

 

[Madness]

Come down to Windsors Level 2, there's a whole section in the phone book full of women or men who'll smack your ass and call you whatever you like and more for the right price.