slow death of the 40?
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I can't see it's advantage over the 9 mil. for paper punching, which I presume the other 0.1 use.
40 makes major power factor which scores higher points than minor and can hold more rounds than 45 giving faster times due to less mag changes, its the same in USPSA Limited division .40 is the dominant caliber for the same reasons. The other .1 is mostly a mix of anything that can make major PF, very few 9mm in standard due to the lower point scoring on non A hits.
Didn't know this, but it makes sense. Our range can be set up for IPSC, but I hear the individual cost to the shooters is great. 500rds. per set?
crazyjackrabbit
CGN Regular
Cost to the individual shooter isnt much per match depending on the match level. Most matches I go to are lvl 1 or 2. $20-30 entry and usually 80-120rnd. Lvl 3 and provincials/nationals are more, but I don't bother with those. Blackbadge course is the only other time that you may use alot of ammo.
As for 9 vs 40.. I liked the feel of the 40 better than 9 with m&p's and gen3 glocks. Recoil just felt better
QUOTE=trebor2880;12623672]Didn't know this, but it makes sense. Our range can be set up for IPSC, but I hear the individual cost to the shooters is great. 500rds. per set?[/QUOTE]
As for 9 vs 40.. I liked the feel of the 40 better than 9 with m&p's and gen3 glocks. Recoil just felt better
QUOTE=trebor2880;12623672]Didn't know this, but it makes sense. Our range can be set up for IPSC, but I hear the individual cost to the shooters is great. 500rds. per set?[/QUOTE]
Non-phixion
CGN frequent flyer
I've been shooting my 40's again, and I'm being reminded why 40 will always be my first love. I cut my teeth on a 40S&W, it's an unforgiving learning curve initially but once you get dialed in 40 is the best. The only thing I like more than 40 is 10mm.
Greenhorse six
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
Here something interesting about the .40 in another thread , "Elements of Army SOF have used the Glock 22 for years and are now getting the Glock 19."
this is the thread , and yes , it's about the U.S. Army
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/foru...option-by-the-US-Army?p=12628726#post12628726
this is the thread , and yes , it's about the U.S. Army
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/foru...option-by-the-US-Army?p=12628726#post12628726
The 40 is a fantastically versatile round.
You can down - load it to a minor and it has less recoil then a 9(imho). You can even make it hotter as well. Most 40 barrels (due to nature of 40) are better then 9mm imo. 45 down-load it to minor is well pretty awful and even when its higher power its not much better then a 40 or 10mm and the recoil is FAR worse.
9mm works great production. If if down-loaded it well it doesn't register on pf scale but make it a 9mm and if you put it in the wrong gun you will blow the gun up.
You can down - load it to a minor and it has less recoil then a 9(imho). You can even make it hotter as well. Most 40 barrels (due to nature of 40) are better then 9mm imo. 45 down-load it to minor is well pretty awful and even when its higher power its not much better then a 40 or 10mm and the recoil is FAR worse.
9mm works great production. If if down-loaded it well it doesn't register on pf scale but make it a 9mm and if you put it in the wrong gun you will blow the gun up.
The 10mm seems to be gaining a lot of popularity. I wonder if it's at the additional expense of the .40? I think the .40 is a better round than most outside of law enforcement applications but the 10 is much more versatile.
Yep. The big advantage of .40 is that used guns in that caliber are cheap...since everyone wants a 9mm.
I have one (because above; cheap) But in Canada it doesn't make sense as a caliber for most shooters. You can't CCW, and there's not really any gun you can get in .40 but not 9mm...unlike 45acp. So it's just a more expensive caliber to shoot, even reloading it is quite a bit more money than 9mm.
The advantage of casting your own bullets. A bit more powder is your only expense variable. Your point for most is spot on.
Take Care
Bob
hatman1793
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
The FBI did extensive tests of the 40S&W vs newer 9mm loads. They determined that the 40 wound channel vs the new 9mm wound chanel was insignificant vis-a-vis.
The FBI then switched their current autos to Glocks in 9mm, however, the US Army decided (incorrectly) that the Sig P320 was what they wanted to field.
10mm is an over-rated cartridge on most levels. S&W's 40 S&W cartridge with the *right* bullet will perform as good as the 10mm in a smaller frame & slide combo. And pretty much no LEO's use 10mm, & .357 Sig is falling out of favour due to serious over penetration.
40 S&W in Glock 22's & 23's still command alot of LEO inventory. With a quality 135-155 grain HP @ better than 1100 FPS 40 S&W still gets the job done....
The FBI then switched their current autos to Glocks in 9mm, however, the US Army decided (incorrectly) that the Sig P320 was what they wanted to field.
10mm is an over-rated cartridge on most levels. S&W's 40 S&W cartridge with the *right* bullet will perform as good as the 10mm in a smaller frame & slide combo. And pretty much no LEO's use 10mm, & .357 Sig is falling out of favour due to serious over penetration.
40 S&W in Glock 22's & 23's still command alot of LEO inventory. With a quality 135-155 grain HP @ better than 1100 FPS 40 S&W still gets the job done....
Brutus
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
Was it not designed to be everything a heavy bullet +P 38 SPL was supposed to deliver? Of course within a semi auto friendly case
Apples to oranges. The 10mm is more versatile and it will do more with any bullet weight. The fact you can't get it in a standard sized frame has kept it out of widespread use in LEO circles. That's on top of the fact that it's much more powerful than it needs to be for typical LE applications. All the tests I have seen on .357 Sig show it to offer little over the 9mm, just like .40 and .45.
There is an excellent "series" on YouTube by a user named Brassfetcher that tests 9/.40/.45 about as extensively and scientifically as you could hope.
It was designed to be a version of the 10mm that was actually suitable for the average LEO.
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