When did folks become such recoil wimps?

People need to stop banging their chests and realize that for some of us...the reasons are medical.

Or we want to enjoy shooting. Nothing worse than developing a flinch ( I caught my 762x54R carbine in the collar bone which gave me one ) The chest bumpers are probably those that give someone a heavy hitting caliber to a new person, and laugh at the results. I know I was young and someone wanted me to try his 6.5# 375 H&H.. After he went on how much it hit, I passed.
 
After shooting my 45/70 trap door Springfield I know how Custer lost ,his men were suffering from concussions due to recoil ...:)
 
I know stock configuration is a big factor,my 375 ruger African does not compare with that antique.
 
In the grand scheme of things most of the rifles we shoot most of the time are considered light rifles. Let that soak in for a second; most shooters are sorting and grading the little guns into little groups and some of them are acting like it was a near death experience.

Past the lights, which end somewhere around the .300s, are some things that are in a different league. While some are giving themselves permission to compare a 7 Rem to a bear maulling; others who dont compare themselves to Superman are shooting things that kick 4 times as hard by the fist-full Many of those think its a fun and exhilarating experience. Some people actually like recoil and find the little stuff mildly boring. Chest thumping doesn't have anything to do with it.
 
Funny thing about recoil, if you don't care about it, it doesn't matter. When recoil matters is when it interferes with your ability to concentrate on the mechanics of making the shot, the same can be said of muzzle blast. We can mitigate muzzle blast with hearing protection, perhaps some day with suppressors, and we can mitigate recoil with a quality recoil pad, a stock that fits, adding weight to the rifle, and for those that must, a muzzle brake. IMHO, the majority of people shoot rifles that are stocked too long, and a LOP that's too long increases the amount of recoil felt by the shooter. Thus even some rifles chambered for mild cartridges get a reputation as punishing. I wish more factory rifles came with adjustable stocks.

A local gal wants to try her hand at moose hunting, but more importantly, she wants the freedom to go for walks alone, rather than having to wait until someone with a rifle or shotgun is willing to go with her. She asked me what I thought would be an appropriate rifle for her. Not only is she small, but she's left handed to boot, so while the question can be readily answered, it is not easily answered. I immediately suggested a left hand Ruger .308 scout rifle. I have since spent an inordinate amount of time on the computer looking to see if I had missed anything that might be better, but within her budget, and without waiting a year for a gunsmith to produce something, I think the Ruger is the best option. In the meantime I want to get her shooting. I initially though that my son's left handed .270 would suffice in the interim, and I loaded some ammo for it, but its far too big for her. I'll see how she reacts to the suggestion of starting out with my wife's .30/06, which while right handed, has a 12" LOP. She's had the .270 for a week now, but I'm willing to bet that short stocked .30/06 will feel much more intuitive. Once we get the little Ruger fitted to her, and a brief introduction with cast bullet loads and light recoil jacketed loads, I have no doubt that in a short time she will be able handle full power .308 handloads, and the recoil won't matter.
 
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Quite the opposite for me most rifles are too damn short. Fit is important. Factory rifles are designed around a universal human form. One that a lot of us don't fit. If you are shooting at game and thinking about the recoil, it's time to do something about it. Fix the stock or trade the rifle would be my choices.
 
Quite the opposite for me most rifles are too damn short. Fit is important. Factory rifles are designed around a universal human form. One that a lot of us don't fit. If you are shooting at game and thinking about the recoil, it's time to do something about it. Fix the stock or trade the rifle would be my choices.

I have the opposite problem, I find many factory rifles length of pull is a bit too long for me, I'm always craving my head forward to get into the eye box to point its uncomfortable and unnatural position, which makes consistency harder.

That being said, I am blessed with not being overly recoil sensitive. On the trap/skeet/sporting clay fields, I've regularly shot another hundred rounds or more past where many others quite because the shoulder was tender. I have a few bigger boomers too that I've shot alot, plus lots of load development on them. Built up a more consistent and better handle on the rifles to the point where the heavy kick isn't noticeable or uncomfortable until I'm getting into some decent rounds counts.

I prefer going with lighter kicking rifles if I can, but if I'll be hunting areas that feature longer ranges or quarry I want to drop faster (think moose in swampy areas), I'll put down the 308 and grab a Magnum rifle of one flavour or another.
 
I had cause to ponder this recently and would suggest that at least part of it is that guns are getting lighter.

As a result of that pondering I traded away a light and modern Mossberg 500 for a crude and heavy Chinese 37 clone and the difference in felt recoil is night and day.

The fancy modern units that other people in a group I go hunting with use are light as feathers and kick like mules. My old Enfield is/does neither, although that’s not a 1:1 cartridge comparison.
 
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A dislike of recoil does not mean you're a "wimp", it's means you're smarter than those who, for some reason, think absorbing recoil makes you more of a man. Shooting cartridges that have significant recoil is simply a skill that anyone can learn with practice. Using the word "wimp" the way it is used in the title of this thread, reveals more than the OP should want.
 
North Americans seem to have some weird fascination with being really over gunned for the game they hunt.

Heavy recoil exploits any weakness in your application of the fundamentals, and a large majority of hunters have horrible fundamentals. Part of that is due to a never ending cycle of heavy recoiling rounds contributing to poor fundamentals (flinches, trigger slapping, etc.), and in turn those poor fundamentals result in poor results downrange.

A large amount of hunters would benefit from lesser recoiling cartridges, and they don't even realize it. A heavy recoiling cartridge isn't going to help much if you have trouble hitting your intended target.

The fascination with heavy recoiling hunting cartridges in North America has probably caused more problems then it's solved.
 
A dislike of recoil does not mean you're a "wimp", it's means you're smarter than those who, for some reason, think absorbing recoil makes you more of a man. Shooting cartridges that have significant recoil is simply a skill that anyone can learn with practice. Using the word "wimp" the way it is used in the title of this thread, reveals more than the OP should want.

Very well said.

Rob
 
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Depends a lot on the gun and situation. My P14 with steel butt-plate had me cringing by the time I sighted it in many years ago. My Remington 760 in 30-06 was greatly improved by the addition of a recoil pad. My 35 Whelan has a recoil pad, and is more tolerable than the P14 used to be. Also shooting from a bench is much more tolerable than from prone position. When your rifle is lined up on that big buck, you never feel the recoil.
 
Depends a lot on the gun and situation. My P14 with steel butt-plate had me cringing by the time I sighted it in many years ago. My Remington 760 in 30-06 was greatly improved by the addition of a recoil pad. My 35 Whelan has a recoil pad, and is more tolerable than the P14 used to be. Also shooting from a bench is much more tolerable than from prone position. When your rifle is lined up on that big buck, you never feel the recoil.

“... because recoil is irrelevant when a tiger is climbing into your howdah.”
 
A dislike of recoil does not mean you're a "wimp", it's means you're smarter than those who, for some reason, think absorbing recoil makes you more of a man. Shooting cartridges that have significant recoil is simply a skill that anyone can learn with practice. Using the word "wimp" the way it is used in the title of this thread, reveals more than the OP should want.

X2. Flinching is hard to unlearn............

I wear a sissy pad when I think it is warranted for me.
 
A dislike of recoil does not mean you're a "wimp", it's means you're smarter than those who, for some reason, think absorbing recoil makes you more of a man. Shooting cartridges that have significant recoil is simply a skill that anyone can learn with practice. Using the word "wimp" the way it is used in the title of this thread, reveals more than the OP should want.

Why is it that we keep seeing this argument...almost word for word?
Trying hard not to be pointing fingers and being a 'Manly Man' who can handle recoil ( and eats crayons in the 'Softer recoil crowds opinion').
Some of us like a little spice when we shoot...because you don't...doesn't make you smarter. It just means you don't like that.
I'm a boxer...been so since I was 6... you don't like that...so you think you are smarter than me?
I work Oilrigs, rough game...love that stuff too... that make you smarter...grow up.
My women will make you sit back and STFU too...you smarter because you have a demure one?
The more you 'Lord your superior intellect because you like Poodle shooter's'...the more you look like the diminutive term used in the thread...
 
X2. Flinching is hard to unlearn............

I wear a sissy pad when I think it is warranted for me.

Same.. I forgot mine, and I got a nice bruise on my shoulder.. Worse is if you got a rest that very low and you hunched over. Buttstock normally kicks off your shoulder and hits the bone.

The more squared up you can get to it, the better.. Probably why people shooting offhand, don't feel it as bad, as someone benched.
 
Why is it that we keep seeing this argument...almost word for word?
Trying hard not to be pointing fingers and being a 'Manly Man' who can handle recoil ( and eats crayons in the 'Softer recoil crowds opinion').
Some of us like a little spice when we shoot...because you don't...doesn't make you smarter. It just means you don't like that.
I'm a boxer...been so since I was 6... you don't like that...so you think you are smarter than me?
I work Oilrigs, rough game...love that stuff too... that make you smarter...grow up.
My women will make you sit back and STFU too...you smarter because you have a demure one?
The more you 'Lord your superior intellect because you like Poodle shooter's'...the more you look like the diminutive term used in the thread...

Well, that proves you're more of a man than I am for sure, although you appear more defensive than I would have expected from someone so obviously manly.

Even your women?? That really proves something.
 
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