The new NR NoDak Spud NDS 18SC
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PinaKaleada
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If that’s a real question, I’ll answer:
It’s simple, if we see a potential problem, you want it to be known *now*, not after product is manufactured and sold and in circulation.
Misinformation of what exactly? Everything I’m saying is from observation of those prototype pictures. You can see for yourself. Do you want me to draw up something for you to help you understand better?
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For right now you really have to just trust IRG,NoDak and RWA. As for potential problems how can one even begin to point out any when non of us know by how much the specs have been changed? For all we know the lower and upper could be a 1/4" longer than an ar15 upper and lower. At this point raising issues you think may become a problem later is kinda pointless with out more information on the specs of the upper and lower. I am not trying to attack you but at this point we really cant say anything about a rifle. We dont even have fully finished prototype pictures of yet. Just have some faith in IRG for now and wait to see what the prototype will look like.
Dude, just stop posting. Stop asking stupid incriminating questions. They could be built on AK receivers for all anyone cares, if it's NR, it's NR.
Buy the gun, shoot it and shut the hell up. If it becomes prohib, then you own a cool prohib.
Buy the gun, shoot it and shut the hell up. If it becomes prohib, then you own a cool prohib.
PinaKaleada
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Thats a good response. After all it's a forum and I'm raising these questions because I want them to do this correctly. I'm down to buy two.
Can't you think a step further and thank me for possibly saving this project if in fact they are thinking of using forgings? Look at the portion where the buffer tube goes into and the part where the charging handle rides. Those dimensions aren't from an AR180b, those are AR15 dimensions, curiously. Especially that little slant rear of the charging handle flat.
Thats a good response. After all it's a forum and I'm raising these questions because I want them to do this correctly. I'm down to buy two.
Can't you think a step further and thank me for possibly saving this project if in fact they are thinking of using forgings? Look at the portion where the buffer tube goes into and the part where the charging handle rides. Those dimensions aren't from an AR180b, those are AR15 dimensions, curiously. Especially that little slant rear of the charging handle flat.
You are not saving anything.
This rifle will almost certainly end up being prohibited one day, so will your cheap 10/22, your rusty SKS and any other gun you may own. This is the unfortunate reality of where this country is heading. No gun is safe in Canada. Period.
The RCMP have already inspected the design post-ban and deemed it a NR firearm. If this rifle gets prohibited in the future, it won't be because of the design. This rifle will sell out within the first day and most people will still proudly own them long after they get banned.
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PinaKaleada
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It's as simple as follows:
RCMP says CZ858 and swiss arms was NR. However, some became Prohibited because the *naughty* receivers were used. It still became prohibited even though the CZ858 design is NR. My point is as simple as that.
In this case, the 180 is deemed NR However, if you try to use AR15 designated forgings to make receivers, is it AR15 or no?
The remedy is also simple. Make the receivers out of billet. I can be totally wrong of suspecting that they're using forgings. But my suspicion isn't unfounded, just look at the picture.
Who gives af what might happen to them down the road, we already know they want to eventually ban everything. They already screwed a chit ton of businesses who's product was NR. It isn't going to get any better. Bickering on a forum isn't going to change a thing or "save" anything.
All we can do is continue to support these businesses by buying products like this up while we can. And enjoy them or stash them away for a rainy day.
All we can do is continue to support these businesses by buying products like this up while we can. And enjoy them or stash them away for a rainy day.
Why do you think they are using forgings? Can you please post proof of that? Because as previous people have pointed out the NoDak lower is billet milled. From this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCFx66SZny0&ab_channel=IRunGuns you can see that the upper looks to also be milled. You are saying that the lowers dimensions are not from a 180b and are from an ar15? I assume you are thinking that since the back of the lower will fit an ar15 buffer tube, its dimensions are the same as an ar15. My question to you is what does that matter at this point? We have no finished prototypes, no drawings or size specs of the lower or the upper, they could both be longer than any other ar15 upper and lower being made. I understand you want to point out what you think could be massive issues for the rifle in the future. But are you positive that they actually will become issues for a rifle we have little information on? Its kinda pointless to be doing this when we have very little information on the rifle right now. Have faith in IRG, NoDak, and RWA
PinaKaleada
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What I know that you might not know is this, forgings are much cheaper to make receivers out of because they're mass produced. There are many many forging companies that make AR15 forgings and thats the reason why AR15s are so cheap. On the other hand, AR180 upper forgings do not exist. It is not made in mass. As a result, you'd obviously find out that the upper is billet, but that says nothing about the lower. Now, I must admit, I have no idea. All I did was notice the striking similarities on that lower with many AR15 dimensions which does not need to be there for the AR180. Modern Sporter would obviously need these dimensions for AR parts. Not a AR180.
So question is, are those "features" for style, or do they exist because they're from forgings?
We're still waiting on pictures of a finished product. Early on pricing was stated to be at the $1,400 USD mark but nothing official has been announced yet for Canadian pricing.
I would not say anything more on the forgings since IRG themselves have said on page 5 of this thread
"No, these are billet lowers and will not work on the 180. the SC stands for Sub Compact although we do offer the original 180 billet replacement lower."
and again on page 13
"There are also a number of updates to the upper in order for it to mate with the NR NoDak billet lower receiver.
The lower receiver is a sub compact hybrid of the original NR NDS 180. These receivers will not be compatible with the 180B platform."
To me it looks like every rifle with be milled from billet. You can rest assured that there are no forgings being used. In response to you thinking the back of the lower is ar15 dimensions I found this on page 24 from IRG. it is in response to this comment made by a cgn poster.
CGN posters comment: "I mean bill Blair did say in the oic announcement that he realises other rifles are going to take the place of the now prohibited ones and they will be added at a letter time"
IRG response "Well that may be true if this rifle fell within the scope of the OIC but it doesn't. This rifle is 100% proprietary and of a new design."
So I think we can take away that this rifle has had many many modifications made to it to be as far from an ar15 as possible. I would wait for pics and more info before finding any more "issues" with the rifle.
"No, these are billet lowers and will not work on the 180. the SC stands for Sub Compact although we do offer the original 180 billet replacement lower."
and again on page 13
"There are also a number of updates to the upper in order for it to mate with the NR NoDak billet lower receiver.
The lower receiver is a sub compact hybrid of the original NR NDS 180. These receivers will not be compatible with the 180B platform."
To me it looks like every rifle with be milled from billet. You can rest assured that there are no forgings being used. In response to you thinking the back of the lower is ar15 dimensions I found this on page 24 from IRG. it is in response to this comment made by a cgn poster.
CGN posters comment: "I mean bill Blair did say in the oic announcement that he realises other rifles are going to take the place of the now prohibited ones and they will be added at a letter time"
IRG response "Well that may be true if this rifle fell within the scope of the OIC but it doesn't. This rifle is 100% proprietary and of a new design."
So I think we can take away that this rifle has had many many modifications made to it to be as far from an ar15 as possible. I would wait for pics and more info before finding any more "issues" with the rifle.
PinaKaleada
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Hey if thats the case, it's good news. I'm not married to my ideas, and certainly not my suspicions. If it indeed is billet that would 100% ease my concern.
It's 50 pages of mostly this question so thanks for adding to the drivel.
The sense of entitlement in this community is wild. If you want to discuss this upcoming platform or have questions or whatever, great. That's what this is for. But no one owes you anything. Thanks to IRUNGUNS for working on bringing something new to market.
Antlerking
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Check out post 349 the second picture you can clearly see the machining marks! Definitely made from a billet!
I wish there was a way to just see the post from the OP. That would make this a quick read and give you all the information that is available.
playinghooky
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You can always click on profile name and click on view forum posts. That will bring up all their latest posts. They don't post often so it'll be easy to get updates from them.
