Is this massively unsafe?

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Lets start this one from the top. So I am a new hunter and this was my first deer season. So what I am looking for is input from all of you guys who have been doing this for years.

So neither my friend (who is also a new hunter) or myself know anyone who will let us hunt on their property so we located some crown land in 64A and took a few days off work to go and give it a shot. The first two days were great we didnt get anything, infact we didnt even see anything, but that didnt matter as we were having a great time just enjoying the outdoors.

We located a clearing on the first day out that would be a good place to set up some blinds and that is what we did on Friday. We didnt get anything but we thought we had a good location. So we got up a 4:30 again on saturday this time I set up in a corner and my friend voluntered to push the bush and see if we could make them come to us.

OK enter the other people. Atleast 5 guys walked into the field we were working. OK no problem it's crown land they have as much right as I do to be there. So I came out of my hide and waved, they ignored me. My assumption was that we would have a quick chat so that we could work the same area. So these guys not only ignore me but they are now down range. (In my shooting zone) The first thing I learned this week is that 25-30ft into the bush and hunter orange disappears. I was using a 308win that will have a killing range of over a kilometer easy.

We had setup a decoy as someone had suggested it could help. Well the decoy now has a hole in its ass. Atleast one of these goof balls started blasting away. I hit the dirt. Am I being unreasonable???? Should they not have come to talk to me? I was there first. What's more they dont know how many of us there were or where we are(Likewise is true aswell). This entire incident stank of friendly fire. I just packed up my stuff and got the hell out of Dodge. I dont want to be around people like that with high powered rifles.

Please let me know your thoughts as I consider this entire situation to be unsafe and probably the act of a few "rednecks." However, if this is standard practice in the hunting community then maybe I need to re-evaluate my participation in this sport.

Thanks.
 
You ran into some interesting people, they are out there, the ones that would not try to work to make both hunts work. As for the decoy, I suggest that you keep that for private land, or for bow hunting, at rifle ranges a decoy looks way too much like a real deer and you don't want to be down range of that. As for your range, you need to know what is on the other side, the best is to know that you are shooting into a hill or something like that but I see where you are coming from. That was a very unsafe situation and yes you are spot on with your thoughts that they should have spoke with you and maybe worked with you and your friend to make all parties happy but some people just cannot be bothered. Look out for number one first, if you feel unsafe about someone hunting around you or feel iffy about the area you want to hunt stay out.

Good luck to you, finding a place to hunt in this day and age is tough, and even if you find a nice piece of crown it seems like there are always a couple idiots to deal with.
 
Ya.

That's unfortunate. But I agree with others here. Don't go bringing your decoy on crown land.

I used to live very close to you "Sarnia" and I know what it is like down there. MANY hunters. You don't wanna be bringing a decoy out on crown with all those hunters out there. Yes you are right, that was a very unsafe situation you were in and I am glad your ok.

It pisses me off to hear that the people that shot at your decoy didn't even have the respect to come talk to you after them seeing you wave at them. Hunters like them can go to hell and give the sport a bad name in my own humble opinion.

Next time ditch the decoy, maybe get yourself a tree stand!, that way you can be up higher and have a better outlook on your surroundings. Plus it is an added advantage and they don't cost that much either.


Don't let this event turn you off. Just remember one thing "there is an ####### in every group" And that is not only with hunting, that goes with almost every sport ;)
Good luck to you and I hope you get yourself a deer!

PS
Go down Sarnia/Grand Bend way. There are SOOOOOOOOOOOO many deer down there. So many, that if you go for a drive in the morning out in the country you will see them in the fields. Just go bang on some farmers doors and ask them if you can hunt on their land. The farmers are good people down there.
Good luck
 
death-junky said:
I would report them.... They were totally unsafe... There is lots of ways to work the same area but you were there first anyways.
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That's not the way it works with hunting Riley.

Just what the hell are you going to report them for? It is crown land. EVERYONE can hunt on crown land. It is not "first come first served"
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The guys sound like the type of hunter that gives all hunters a bad rep.

Common sense alone says if you see a guy with a rifle coming your way, you let em know you're there. That they ignored you, shows that it's not you as a newbie, but they, as ignorant twits, who are off kilter. The average reaction you'll get from a hunter is a wave. If they're near you, or go by you, they'll stop for a minute or 5 to say "hi, how's your luck been?"...

As for kissing dirt, I did too, when the buggers started shooting yesterday morning in my direction. I saw a rifle come up pointed in my general direction, so I dropped without even thinking of it (THANK GOD and the Sargent for those battle drills in basic to drill it in as a reaction rather than a conscious process!) as I hear bullets starting to whiz by.

You did good by getting the heck out of the area.

As for reporting, if the bullets whizzed by you, there's a chance for a reckless endangerment charge, but they're a bugger to make stick.

Oh & NEVER EVER EVER EEEVVVEEERRRR set up a decoy on crown land! It WILL be shot every damn time, by some twit that doesn't bother verifying his target. ONLY ever use them on PRIVATE land that you and your hunting party have exclusive access to. You're damn lucky you didn't end up another statistic!

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leslea_kate said:
The guys sound like the type of hunter that gives all hunters a bad rep.

Common sense alone says if you see a guy with a rifle coming your way, you let em know you're there. That they ignored you, shows that it's not you as a newbie, but they, as ignorant twits, who are off kilter. The average reaction you'll get from a hunter is a wave. If they're near you, or go by you, they'll stop for a minute or 5 to say "hi, how's your luck been?"...

As for kissing dirt, I did too, when the buggers started shooting yesterday morning in my direction. I saw a rifle come up pointed in my general direction, so I dropped without even thinking of it (THANK GOD and the Sargent for those battle drills in basic to drill it in as a reaction rather than a conscious process!) as I hear bullets starting to whiz by.

You did good by getting the heck out of the area.

As for reporting, if the bullets whizzed by you, there's a chance for a reckless endangerment charge, but they're a bugger to make stick.
Oh & NEVER EVER EVER EEEVVVEEERRRR set up a decoy on crown land! It WILL be shot every damn time, by some twit that doesn't bother verifying his target. ONLY ever use them on PRIVATE land that you and your hunting party have exclusive access to. You're damn lucky you didn't end up another statistic!

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Ya... that really helps the rest of us "responsible" hunters with our sport and the anti's by reporting #### like that don't it?

I think the WHOLE problem here is the fact that he had a decoy out, the other dudes thought it was the real thing, didn't see buddy because he was in a blind, most likely tucked into the woods almost directly behind his decoy, and wamo. That's the verdict on that one.

People, have common sense. The sport is a fun sport if played safe and practical saftey and common sense are used.

Only ever use a decoy on your own property, or property in which is private and you have permission to hunt on it knowing there are no others around.
 
while i have found that there are many "rude" and unsafe hunters that use crown land, theres nothing you can do its there land as well as yours. thats why now "if" i go out on crown land i try to find a place a looooooong ways awy from people. you might want to invest in a treestand liek it wa smentioned before as well tak some time after the season ends to introduce yourself t osome farmers or other property owners in your hunting area maybe even offer them a strong back come the spring in your spare time in exchange t obe allowwed tohunt there the following fall *if you get permission get it on paper*
 
Let me ask a question. How many of you guys are so starved to kill something that as soon as you see a deer, you start blasting away at it.

The decoy wasn't going anywhere. If they were taking their time to make an accurate and ethical shot, would they not have figured out the deer wasn't real? Sounds to me like a bunch of weekend warriors just out to kill something. They too knew it was public land. Doesn't it stand to reason you take a little extra precaution with every shot?

I would have got the hell outta there too. You could have chewed their a$$es out and made them pay for your decoy, but you just can't fix stupid.
 
When was the last time you saw something deer shaped & shot first, asked questions later? Maybe it's me? I tend to think plastic doesn't go well on the bbq ;)

The whole reporting thing... What's the point? The guys were there, they ALL did dumb stuff & HOPEFULLY someone gained a valuable lesson.

The guy's a newbie & said as much. He's either going to clue in & NOT take a decoy, for those who shoot at shapes, or he'll end up the next runner up for a darwin award. I'm sure he's been suitably clued in by that point.

BUT for the guys who walked RIGHT by him, ignored him, I would guess they ALSO ignored the decoy (aka they didn't point out how silly it was to have out there, failing their part to question why someone would have a decoy) THEN to shoot at it? They're either monumentally nuts or were just plain bad hunters.

In my experience, I've found VERY few people have common sense... Fortunately for the fellow who started this thread, he's got a great big dose of it that should clue him in significantly as to how close he came to being a statistic. If not, he won't worry long.

It'd be nice if every hunter everywhere DID practice safe hunting practises and did things like verify their targets, talk with other hunters (for instance, so the guy who started the thread could inform the others that his friend was "beating bush" and to NOT shoot him for moving!) and generally do things that one would assume to be common sense approaches to things & keep stuff like decoys to private locations...

But then again, what would we all have to complain about then :D

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northwoodslivin said:
Ya... that really helps the rest of us "responsible" hunters with our sport and the anti's by reporting s**t like that don't it?

I think the WHOLE problem here is the fact that he had a decoy out, the other dudes thought it was the real thing, didn't see buddy because he was in a blind, most likely tucked into the woods almost directly behind his decoy, and wamo. That's the verdict on that one.

People, have common sense. The sport is a fun sport if played safe and practical saftey and common sense are used.

Only ever use a decoy on your own property, or property in which is private and you have permission to hunt on it knowing there are no others around.
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BINGO!

The lack of fur blowing in the breeze? The matte black eyes, instead of black shiny ones? Maybe the complete lack of movement or the no breathing...

Bad hunters are a bane to everyone... I have to wonder about those who defend the decoy hunters... Something about "been there, done that" maybe?

I KNOW there's a few like that... Hell, seeing the massive bullet holes in a deer decoy beside a major highway, I have to wonder about some "hunters". (It was a decoy used by the COs in Nanaimo BC in the mid/late 90s to fake out poachers) It didn't go more than an HOUR before some numbnuts was out of his car window shooting at it according to the guy who came into class with it.

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buklwinner said:
Let me ask a question. How many of you guys are so starved to kill something that as soon as you see a deer, you start blasting away at it.

The decoy wasn't going anywhere. If they were taking their time to make an accurate and ethical shot, would they not have figured out the deer wasn't real? Sounds to me like a bunch of weekend warriors just out to kill something. They too knew it was public land. Doesn't it stand to reason you take a little extra precaution with every shot?

I would have got the hell outta there too. You could have chewed their a$$es out and made them pay for your decoy, but you just can't fix stupid.
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SignGuy said:
while i have found that there are many "rude" and unsafe hunters that use crown land, theres nothing you can do its there land as well as yours. *
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until they pull the trigger! now it's unsafe discharge of a firearm. they knew you were in the area. report/charge 'em! if nothing else the CO's will have a chat with them and maybe straighten them out. but like what has already been said... be VERY careful using decoys on crown land...( even private for that matter)
good luck
 
silverado7 said:
until they pull the trigger! now it's unsafe discharge of a firearm. they knew you were in the area. report/charge 'em! if nothing else the CO's will have a chat with them and maybe straighten them out. but like what has already been said... be VERY careful using decoys on crown land...( even private for that matter)
good luck
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Report them for what? Discharging a firearm during hunting season?

Running to the CO whining when no laws have been broken just wastes everyone's time. IMHO.

Look, you will always run into other hunters on crown land. Some will be upstanding examples of hunters, the rest will run the full spectrum from not-quite upstanding to full-blown a$$holes. Carry yourself according to where you want to fit in that scale. Hunting on public land, you just have to accept that you will run into specimens from the whole range possible. And unless some law is broken, you just have to live with it.

Oh, and harden the f**k up.;):)
 
joe-nwt said:
Report them for what? Discharging a firearm during hunting season?

Running to the CO whining when no laws have been broken just wastes everyone's time. IMHO.

Look, you will always run into other hunters on crown land. Some will be upstanding examples of hunters, the rest will run the full spectrum from not-quite upstanding to full-blown a$$holes. Carry yourself according to where you want to fit in that scale. Hunting on public land, you just have to accept that you will run into specimens from the whole range possible. And unless some law is broken, you just have to live with it.

Oh, and harden the f**k up.;):)
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if they know there is someone there and they pull the trigger!! unacceptable! harden the f**k up don't work here!!!
i guess he needs to be shot at then it's ok to complain to the CO's huh?
 
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