Dark Alley Dan
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Better to steal them than build them.
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Gustav gun 1350 tons
Panzer 3. 23 tons
Tiger tank 50.tons
88mm gun. 8 tons
Pak 40. 1.5 tons
That’s 58 more panzer 3 weight wise
That’s 27 more tiger tanks weight wise
No extra custom metal work for a massive 1 off gun
168 more 88’s
Again no custom 1off metal work
900 more pak40 guns weight wise
Again no extra work lines already assembled ready to use, not counting cost and time to produce the charges and shells and man power to assemble and machine
It’s nothing more then a vanity project by a small man wanting to be big, all those resources wasted when other equipment would have been much more effective and put to better use
Nothing to brag about just a fools dream at the cost of other people
Panzer 3. 23 tons
Tiger tank 50.tons
88mm gun. 8 tons
Pak 40. 1.5 tons
That’s 58 more panzer 3 weight wise
That’s 27 more tiger tanks weight wise
No extra custom metal work for a massive 1 off gun
168 more 88’s
Again no custom 1off metal work
900 more pak40 guns weight wise
Again no extra work lines already assembled ready to use, not counting cost and time to produce the charges and shells and man power to assemble and machine
It’s nothing more then a vanity project by a small man wanting to be big, all those resources wasted when other equipment would have been much more effective and put to better use
Nothing to brag about just a fools dream at the cost of other people
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And not even resources, the fact they invented the blitzekrieg and understood the full potential of fast coordinate attacks using tanks infantry and aircraft makes it worse because they knew it was better to move quickly and not stall out in one location, aircraft made it a giant sitting duck without a decent amount of aa protection which then ties up more men to babysit the bloody thing
Wow I want some of what you're smoke'n....
Read your history... In 1934, the German Army High Command (Oberkommando des Heeres (OKH)) commissioned Krupp of Essen to design a gun to destroy the forts of the French Maginot Line that were nearing completion
You're missing the whole point on lobbing a massive amount of explosive over a great distance.
It was made to penetrate the fortifications along a front that were otherwise impregnable. Who cares how much resource you're using.
Maybe think of the thousands of solders that would not be killed on a futile attempt at a frontal attack.
Royal Air Force in the 1930... effective aerial bombing would come later.
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It was never used, they went around the thing it was designed to be used for sooo wasted time and energy, your just in love with it cuz it’s big, so there was no frontal attack, useless big gun
They used it in 1942 it took 4000 men to move and set it up 500 to fire it
The lighter materials could have been put to better use, think 900 more guns in Normandy, North Africa or the eastern front could have made more of an impact then that gun, just cuz it’s big doesn’t mean it’s good
And after it fired its 48 rounds in combat it needed the barrel replaced, listen I’m not denying it’s a cool gun, but it’s a massive waste of resources, maybe if they attacked the Maginot line it would have been great but they were done before they finished setting it up! Why because it was easier to go around it!
What are you smoking?
They used it in 1942 it took 4000 men to move and set it up 500 to fire it
The lighter materials could have been put to better use, think 900 more guns in Normandy, North Africa or the eastern front could have made more of an impact then that gun, just cuz it’s big doesn’t mean it’s good
And after it fired its 48 rounds in combat it needed the barrel replaced, listen I’m not denying it’s a cool gun, but it’s a massive waste of resources, maybe if they attacked the Maginot line it would have been great but they were done before they finished setting it up! Why because it was easier to go around it!
What are you smoking?
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maple_leaf_eh
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My YT feed lately has suggested audiobooks of WW2 German's biographies and memoires. A common theme of the Eastern front veterans was how they expected the Allies to turn on the "Bolsheviks" immediately. The German formations would be rebuilt and wrapped into a surging tide to push back the Reds. They also talk about the secret weapons programs, like the V1 and V2, the rocket bombers, and the supertanks. The myths were strong, until the truth was brought home.
As a command economy, parts of Germany's industrial strengths were truly mobilized to great effect. But the passion projects and distractions did more damage than benefit. Consider tank production - the Pz III was an adequate early war tank, but it was superceded by Pz IV. The Panther was a very good tank, but for example its design prevented the workshops from actually fixing it in the field.
Instead, broken tanks had to be shipped back to Germany. The Allies had scrap yards a few miles behind the lines where the recovery crews dragged knocked out tanks for salvage and return to service. Image trying to schlep a Sherman with a broken final drive all the way back to UK? Quantity has a quality all its own.
As a command economy, parts of Germany's industrial strengths were truly mobilized to great effect. But the passion projects and distractions did more damage than benefit. Consider tank production - the Pz III was an adequate early war tank, but it was superceded by Pz IV. The Panther was a very good tank, but for example its design prevented the workshops from actually fixing it in the field.
Instead, broken tanks had to be shipped back to Germany. The Allies had scrap yards a few miles behind the lines where the recovery crews dragged knocked out tanks for salvage and return to service. Image trying to schlep a Sherman with a broken final drive all the way back to UK? Quantity has a quality all its own.
Dark Alley Dan
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Same mindset - dare I call it German? - for aircraft engines.
British/American aero engines were field-serviceable. Guys could pull them apart in a breezy tent at the airfield, unfvck 'em, and get them back on the aircraft. German engines were carefully crated and sent back to BMW or MB via train, truck, mule cart, unfortunate Landser with a wheelbarrow, or some other labour-intensive form of transport. As the distances grew in the East, this became less and less feasible. German aircraft engines are beautiful pieces of kit, powerful, sound great, built to very tight tolerances by very capable craftsmen in white lab coats, but when the factory is 2800 km to the rear and you need to move munitions up and wounded back...
As an owner of a twenty-year-old BMW and the slave of a 1985 VW Vanagon, I can tell you this attitude is baked right in to the DNA of the German Soul.
Anyhoo, pictures: Here, Austro-Hungarian officers in the Dolemites gather around a captured Italian MG.
A cold and unpleasant place to fight a war. At least it's dry:
British/American aero engines were field-serviceable. Guys could pull them apart in a breezy tent at the airfield, unfvck 'em, and get them back on the aircraft. German engines were carefully crated and sent back to BMW or MB via train, truck, mule cart, unfortunate Landser with a wheelbarrow, or some other labour-intensive form of transport. As the distances grew in the East, this became less and less feasible. German aircraft engines are beautiful pieces of kit, powerful, sound great, built to very tight tolerances by very capable craftsmen in white lab coats, but when the factory is 2800 km to the rear and you need to move munitions up and wounded back...
As an owner of a twenty-year-old BMW and the slave of a 1985 VW Vanagon, I can tell you this attitude is baked right in to the DNA of the German Soul.
Anyhoo, pictures: Here, Austro-Hungarian officers in the Dolemites gather around a captured Italian MG.
A cold and unpleasant place to fight a war. At least it's dry:
Yup, the G.
Germans were good at that kind of thing, but they weren't alone, just better.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Habakkuk
Grizz
What's with the attenuated sword on the central figure? Looks like it was made that way.
It appears to be a standard Austrian Officer's Saber. Maybe it broke and they just shortened the scabbard after turn the sword into a knife?
maple_leaf_eh
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A cold and unpleasant place to fight a war. At least it's dry:
The British were geniuses at building little narrow gauge railroads all over their rear areas. When a man has two feet, but can only carry x lbs of freight, someone had to come up with a better way to move the rations around. Enter the railway troops.
The Battle of the Bulge kicked off 76 years ago on 16 December. It was a great start but a lousy finish for Hitler. Quite apart from the American response, the Germans were operating on shoestring logistics and unfavorable terrain for mechanized operations. Its very unlikely that any German tank casualties were recovered to fight again. Many were actually abandoned for lack of fuel.
A cold and unpleasant place to fight a war. At least it's dry:
Sure beats slugging through all that mud!!
My great grandfather was with the rail corps, left Oklahoma under shady circumstances to Mexico, decided Mexico was no place for a ginger and slyly made his way to the kootenays under an assumed name, joined the CEF and went overseas in one of the American legions, when asked if he wanted to go to the Americans when they signed up for the Great War he promptly declined, and continued to construct narrow gauge rail from his experience in the mines, till the end of the war
