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handgun ban in Canada
- Thread starter tacdriver
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It's nice to see how some of you take this topic so lightly.
You know that by repeatedly chipping away at the block, they will eventually weaken it and it WILL BREAK.
I can't begin to stress just how important it is that we stand togther as one coherant unit and oppose those who would disarm us.
Sitting back and yelling, "Those fuktards can't do this or that...", well gents they WILL do it... one day; Unless of course we all grow some kahonies and stop them.
The anti's are a lot more organized than we are and they have #### all to lose. WE on the other hand, have everything to lose, and we sit around scratching our ball sack and sniffing our fingers.
It's time TO WAKE UP and smell the coffee fellas. I hear a lot of #####in from the kitchen, but not many are stepping up to the plate and asking, "What can I do?"
These people are SERIOUS. These people want to confiscate YOUR HANDGUNS. These people WILL SUCCEED unless you/we get your/our sh!t together.
Can't be done... WHAT??? Did you miss what they did with C-86? C-17? and the list goes on and on. Just how do you figure they got all that crap passed under your noses!!!
But alas, firearms is FEDERAL jurisdiction and Stockwell and Stephen will save us... yeah RIGHT! Do you believe in the Easter Bunny as well? Santa's comin to town real soon, maybe ask him for some pixie dust.
Gentlemen, it's time to SCREAM, SHOUT, WRITE, FAX, LOBBY, and do some #####in OUTSIDE of CGN.
Mark my words, we are on the eve of getting our collective asses kicked. It is NOT too late to take action, but damn, I don't see much dust being raised. Just the same old same old's, preaching to the choir.
The provincial AG's are not to scoffed at, they are a threat to our property. And until such time that the Supreme Court rules that government can't take away said property; I wouldn't be sporting a grin on my face.
Personally, I'm not going down without a fight. I have embarked upon a quest for ATC in Canada, but I want to ensure that I have a damn handgun when I arrive at the end of th road.
You know that by repeatedly chipping away at the block, they will eventually weaken it and it WILL BREAK.
I can't begin to stress just how important it is that we stand togther as one coherant unit and oppose those who would disarm us.
Sitting back and yelling, "Those fuktards can't do this or that...", well gents they WILL do it... one day; Unless of course we all grow some kahonies and stop them.
The anti's are a lot more organized than we are and they have #### all to lose. WE on the other hand, have everything to lose, and we sit around scratching our ball sack and sniffing our fingers.
It's time TO WAKE UP and smell the coffee fellas. I hear a lot of #####in from the kitchen, but not many are stepping up to the plate and asking, "What can I do?"
These people are SERIOUS. These people want to confiscate YOUR HANDGUNS. These people WILL SUCCEED unless you/we get your/our sh!t together.
Can't be done... WHAT??? Did you miss what they did with C-86? C-17? and the list goes on and on. Just how do you figure they got all that crap passed under your noses!!!
But alas, firearms is FEDERAL jurisdiction and Stockwell and Stephen will save us... yeah RIGHT! Do you believe in the Easter Bunny as well? Santa's comin to town real soon, maybe ask him for some pixie dust.
Gentlemen, it's time to SCREAM, SHOUT, WRITE, FAX, LOBBY, and do some #####in OUTSIDE of CGN.
Mark my words, we are on the eve of getting our collective asses kicked. It is NOT too late to take action, but damn, I don't see much dust being raised. Just the same old same old's, preaching to the choir.
The provincial AG's are not to scoffed at, they are a threat to our property. And until such time that the Supreme Court rules that government can't take away said property; I wouldn't be sporting a grin on my face.
Personally, I'm not going down without a fight. I have embarked upon a quest for ATC in Canada, but I want to ensure that I have a damn handgun when I arrive at the end of th road.
Ya, why not wear an empty holster as a sign of solidarity?
Good luck on your qwest, and if you honestly believe that Canada will ever see a pro CC law, you are nuts. It's pretty much an unwritten fact. There is allot of things worth fighting for in this world, CC in Canada is NOT ONE OF THEM!!!!
Steve Smith
Member
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- Durham Region
I agree with Griffoneur. CGN members need to contact their politicians regarding gun bans and voice their concerns. Unfortunately some CGN members sound like they should be posting on rabble. Take a look at some of the comments regarding the thread drivers stunned by speeding law. I know it is a long thread, but some of those posts sound like they were written by the Wendy of the automotive world.
Canadians are on a very slippery slope that started with RIDE checks that stop motorists for no reason, Seat belt laws, child seats, bike helmets, toy gun bans, pit-bull bans, seizing Bruce Montague's house as the proceeds of crime. The list goes on.
I can only hope that it is not to late.
Canadians are on a very slippery slope that started with RIDE checks that stop motorists for no reason, Seat belt laws, child seats, bike helmets, toy gun bans, pit-bull bans, seizing Bruce Montague's house as the proceeds of crime. The list goes on.
I can only hope that it is not to late.
You and anybody on here aren't helping anything by being an alarmist which is exactly what your trying to do!!!
You don't live in GAZA, so relax a little bit. Actually no, relax allot. It amazes me that that so many people think they are being helpful to the cause by becoming paranoid. Ohhhh, what about inspections....registration.....
Follow the law's that exist right now and WORK TO PREVENT FUTURE GUN LIMITING LEGISLATION.When people make an argument like..."They can try to take me handguns...." who is it exactly that you think your helping?
Because it sure as hell isn't doing our side any good.
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Steve Smith
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- Durham Region
Target Target
How do we prevent future gun limiting legislation?
How do we prevent future gun limiting legislation?
Throttle_monkey1
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
I for one will never surrender my guns. ever. If they ban handguns they can charge me or do whatever. I will just tell the judge that I don't believe in the ban, it is unconstitutional and that I no longer consider myself to be living in a free country, free from oppression, and oppression must be fought.
You and anybody on here aren't helping anything by being an alarmist which is exactly what your trying to do!!!
You don't live in GAZA, so relax a little bit. Actually no, relax allot. It amazes me that that so many people think they are being helpful to the cause by becoming paranoid. Ohhhh, what about inspections....registration.....
When people make an argument like..."They can try to take me handguns...." who is it exactly that you think your helping?
Sir, show a little respect. Steve Smith brought up probably the most important point in this entire thread. You must have a one-track mind.
Gun control is simply one front in a war on personal freedom. If you can't see that there are other important things to fight for, then you may as well give up now. You are thinking small scale.
Look at it this way... The Liberals come back to power and propose some sweeping legislation that would have some 20yr old egomaniac with a badge (who's highest education happens to be a 2yr community college course in how to taser people) come into your house and take your firearms away from you. Somehow, magically, its defeated. What about next year? The year after that?
So targettarget starts to celebrate his big win... The only thing he could ever think about... And while he was doing it, they brought back prohibition, banned tobacco sales, destroyed 90% of our social services, etc etc etc.
C'mon guy, think before you talk. We're in the middle of a war against personal freedom, not just over gun control. It has nothing to do with "paranoia" or anyone being an "alarmist".
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First of all, my previous post wasn't meant to be offensive or rude to any degree. I was trying to make a point, unsuccessfully obviously.
I do not believe that YOURS OR MINE personal freedom is under attack by any means. Nobody is telling you that you can't chew gum, only by gas at Shell or what type of music to listen to. This is in regard to fireams. Plain and Simple, firearms and the people who own them have a bad reputation. I remember watching America's most wanted as a little kid and the bad guy always had a gun. ALWAYS. Some with old country and western movies and documentaries and whatever. Guns & Violence go together. If somebody had a rifle and was walking down the sidewalk out side of your house (trigger lock or no trigger lock) would you assume that he was going hunting or to knock off the nearest Quik-E-Mart?
My point is this. Radical talk isn't going to get CC or handgun legislation anywhere except stricter. Just because I come on here and beak off about this or that, it means nothing. Self Admittedly, I am part of the problem and not part of the solution. The only thing I have done since I have been involved with guns is vote Conservative and send a letter to my MP Diane Ablonzky - Conservative so that I know where she sits on the issue -PRO-.
The bottom line is this. I called people on here who come out and say that "they will never give there guns up" Alarmist's. Why did I do that, BECAUSE THEY ARE. If you genuinely expect me to believe that if tomorrow Canada bans handguns that 99.99999% of the people on here will mow down the RCMP that come to pick them up from their house, I won't. PERIOD.
With this being said, I think there are ways that we can advance gun rights in this country WITHOUT LOOKING LIKE A BUNCH OF HIGH SCHOOL DROP OUT RED-NECK SOB'S. Here's how.
First and formost, get in contact with your MP. Know who they are and where they stand. VOTE FOR THEM if they stand for what you believe in. Most people do this and stop there (again, like myself).
Right now, I would be quite happy as I'm sure allot of handgun owner's would be if they just kept the current laws in place. Sure, I can't own a handgun with a barrel less than 106mm. You know what, I'm fine with that. I'm also fine with the fact that I can't own a magazine that holds more than 10 rounds. If you can't accomplish what you want with 10 rounds (hitting a paper target, of course), 12-15-20 or more isn't going to do you any good.
I made an argument of an unnamed CC website recently that got me banned. It was in regard to carrying a holster on you at all times. No gun, no loaded mag's, just an empty holster. The idea was (as I understood it) that when a member of the public asked you what it was, you were to reply "It holds my cellphone. A cellphone is the only legal device I can carry if I fell threatened because concealed pistol carry is not allowed in Canada". Now seriously, if you think that you can win public opinion by carrying an empty holster around and answering with that response, your out to lunch. All that is going to do is move us umpteen steps backwards because now the general public see's all gun owner's as physco's. I am not a physco and WILL NOT be carrying around my empty holster for any handgun I own.
Ideally, and this may sound a little or allot commie, I think the only way we will ever advance gun rights in this country is with a very large change to the legislation. Everybody when they turn 18 in this country should be FORCED TO SERVE in the military and there country. Whether it be 4 months or 2 years or whatever, it's the principal. A military experienced public is a gun friendly public. I am admittedly making myself a hypocrite here because I have never served. God Bless those that have.
Alas, this will never happen. Never. However, if it were too, I GUARANTEE YOU that I would be one of the first in line.
In conclusion, idle threats are exactly that. Anybody that thinks Canada is going to become more "gun friendly" obviously doesn't have a clue. There are VERY FEW TIMES when legislation is reversed, and gun legislation is probably the hardest of all. You will never see concealed carry in this country. I'm not be pessimistic, I'm being REALISTIC.
If you don't agree, let me know. I'm Not looking for a pissing match here, just frank discussion.
It has everything to do with "Paranoia or anyone being an alarmist". I'm not trying to imply that one should just sit back, pay his taxes and keep his mouth shut, I just happen to think that there are better and more logical ways of dealing with the issue than sleeping with a gun under your pillow.
Steve Smith also said hat he thought seat belts and bicycle helmets were another step on our way to communism. If that's not the DEFINITION OF ALARMIST, I don't know what is.
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- Montreal, Quebec
Ya, why not wear an empty holster as a sign of solidarity?
Good luck on your qwest, and if you honestly believe that Canada will ever see a pro CC law, you are nuts. It's pretty much an unwritten fact. There is allot of things worth fighting for in this world, CC in Canada is NOT ONE OF THEM!!!!
You got yourself permanently banned from my site. I see you are now working on getting banned from CGN. Keep up the good work, you will eventually succeed.
The fact is .... you can get absolutely any law imaginable .... all that is required is a majority in the House of Commons. If a Majority Government said it was OK for qualified citizens over the age of 18 to carry concealed weapons for the purposes of self defense, and a bill was presented, it would be passed and CCW would be SOP in Canada. Likewise you could have a Trudeau pass The War Measures Act and remove all rights. Anything is possible and extremely easy to do .... with a Majority Government.
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- Montreal, Quebec
Well, having read several of your posts, you do have a tendancy to come across like a macho redneck hillbilly.
Well, you are obviously living in lala land. Time to take of those rose colored glasses son.
Well, finally you said something we both agree on. "Talk" of any kind isn't going to get us anywhere. We have to stop talking "bullsh!t" and start "ACTING", put your money where your mouth is, to use a paraphrase.
Come on, be mature for cryin out loud! I will NOT give up my guns to any sort of gun ban. That being said, I WILL NOT "mow down" any police officer that comes knocking on my door. You would have to be a complete idiot to interpret those who would practice "civil disobediance" as to becoming "murderers". Get real!
Your testosterone levels are showing.
Well, that is a croc of crap! The current laws are discriminatory and must be changed or repealed. You obviously suffer from the "sheeple" syndrome that allowed the Lieberals to pass crap like Bill C-68 right under our noses.
Your "comment" was rude and disruptive to say the least. It's what we call "Trolling" on the internet. And YES, you TOTALLY misunderstood the concept of the empty holster idea. Right away your over-active testosterone glands went into high gear, as can be seen with your "I'm not a psysco" comment. We need to establish "communication" with John Q. Public. The empty holster is a "tool" to open a dialog. The cellphone holder comment is nothing but redneck interpretation as carrying an empty holster does not have a high "cool factor". No, the aim is to tell the person what it really is, a pistol holster, and it's EMPTY because we are "Disarmed and Defenceless in Canada, because it's THE LAW". Do you see anything "uncool" about that? Or are you afraid of ridicule from your fellow rednecks at the local tavern? Personally, I don't give a rat's ass if someone thinks I am a "sissy boy" for carrying an empty holster. I am not out to prove I am a "manly man". I am out to procure ATC in Canada PERIOD.
Well well, I agree with this part as well. Idle threats and "talk" are cheap. ACTION is what will get things done, but action takes balls. and thats something that many people don't possess. Cause if more people had them (balls). C-68 would NOT exist today, 12.6 would NOT exist today.
Can I ask WHY the hell you hang out on PRO-firearms forums? Posting negative "anti" type ideas is tantamount to "trolling". Look up the definition of Trolling, then go back and read some of your own posts.
There is place for good debate on both sides of the issues. I myself have played the devil's advocate many times, but always with the aim of trying to "understand" from another viewpoint. Debate is healthy and is always welcomed. You however seem to post sweeping negative statements that allude that YOU are RIGHT and everybody else is a FRIGGIN RETARD to think otherwise. You are allowed to have an opposing view, but for cryin out loud, PLEASE RESPECT those who hold an opposing view to yours.
You had best work on your communication skills unless you want to head towards getting expulsed from another firearms site. I don't know about you, but I would certainly miss not being on CGN.
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straitshooter
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"Plain and Simple, firearms and the people who own them have a bad reputation. I remember watching America's most wanted as a little kid and the bad guy always had a gun. ALWAYS. Some with old country and western movies and documentaries and whatever. Guns & Violence go together."
Nope. The media insists that guns and violence go together. Doesn't mean they actually do. Quite the opposite in fact, guns in the right hands prevent violence. - dan
Nope. The media insists that guns and violence go together. Doesn't mean they actually do. Quite the opposite in fact, guns in the right hands prevent violence. - dan
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