Found a venerable old classic, rare config.

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A few weeks ago, I acquired what I believed to be a wonderful example of a classic American shotgun. What I didn't realise at the time, is that it was also a rare build.

Its an AH Fox 12 ga SxS BLE, with Krupp steel barrels, in good condition. Serial number indicates she was built in 1912. Lots of honest use showing on her, but no abuse. She locks up tight, with the top lever still closing well right. Her tubes are bright with trace of minor pitting in right barrel. No cracks, dents, or chips. Aftermarket pachmyer buttpad.

As described above, I was confident that I had made a shrewd purchase. When I got it home and started doing some research, I discovered I had a very rare vintage gun. This particular Fox is a Grade B. At the time, there were 3 grades - A, B, and C. The A grade was the lowest, or 'field' grade, and is the most common (if you can call any model or grade of AH Fox "common"), the C grade was the finest. If you could afford it, you would likely buy the C grade. The B grade was the mid-quality grade. Hardly anybody ordered B grade, so they are quite rare. In addition, the straight or "English" stock was ordered on 15% or fewer of the double guns Fox produced. And, the biggest surprise, this gun has 32" barrels. These were very seldom ordered, as this was considered the "trap" configuration.

I took it in the field the day after I bought it and dropped a ruffed grouse using Gamebore Pure Gold 2 1/2" smokeless shells. I'm truly blessed to have this gun and the opportunity to play with it!:D

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I have seen this gun, and it is as Straightshooter describes - an all original Grade B with the exception of the butt pad. The straight hand stock carries a long tang guard bow, the Krupp steel barrels are the longest that Fox offered, it is equipped with original ejectors (not a retrofit) and it has the original (pre 1914) engraving style. The "pitting" in the right barrel takes a good eye to catch. In short, a rare configuration for a Philadelphia Fox and a very useable 95 year old gun. As well as a hunter, this piece will make a superb sporting clays gun. Congratulations Straightshooter!

Sharptail
 
Very nice piece, congrats! Don't know Fox shotgun history that well.....is the firearm originally chambered for 2 1/2 inch?
 
straightshooter
Firstly congrats you now own ''the finest gun in the world''. Your fox is a BE the E is for the ejectors and when I checked my information the serial # shows its a 1913. Fox guns were made in grades from A to F during that time period and the lowest grade was not an A but a sterlingworth so your gun is a 3rd grade in reality. The B grade sold poorly because it was more expensive than the A but only slightly more than a C and most peoply opted for the C.The 32" bbls were an option but are rare the straight stock was fitted at request as were prince of wales and caped pistol grip and beavertail fe. I love fox guns and at present I am the care taker of 2 sterlingworths an AE and a CE and have yet to find the elusive B. I just bought a 16ga sterlingworth field so I must find a 20ga now to complete the small gauge guns. My 12 ga (1909)sterlingworth was unfortunately opened out to 3" but now serves duty as my turkey gun and put another two toms in the freezer again this year. I hope that the BE brings you as much enjoyment as mine have as I feel that Ainsley was correct in stating his were the finest guns in the world. Again congrats!
Regards doubleman
 
Doubleman, I believe the serial number on this one is 201XX, and my info states that guns of 1913 started at 20700. In the above photo the third digit does look like a 7, but when I looked at it I was sure it was a 1. (Straightshooter is out after ruffies today, maybe he can clarify the serial no. when he returns).

You are correct in stating that grades went from A to F (without an "E" grade?). However, weren't the early Sterlingworth guns stamped as being made by the "Sterlingworth Gun Company" instead of Fox? (same action but with the Parker - like hinge pin, up until 1912/13?) When did the inscription "Fox Sterlingworth" first appear?

While I am not sure that the Fox is "The finest gun in the world", I do believe that they are the best handling guns of all the American doubles, and they certainly were built to last. My own Fox is a Savage era (1935) Grade C with ejectors in 16 gauge, and is truly a joy to hunt with, but not so well turned out as the Philly era guns. Best of luck to you in your search for a 20 gauge, hope you find one in a B grade.

Sharptail
 
sharptail
I thought it was 20768 but you may be right it could be 20168. My 1911 sterlingworth is a hinge pin gun and is marked sterlingworth on the action and A.H.Fox on the bbls, I beleive that 1911 was the change over from The Sterlingworth Co. I said that my one 12ga was a 1909 but it is a 1910 I was confusing it with one of my graded guns but it has a flush hinge pin and has the identical frame to my AE and is marked The Sterlingworth Co. I think the first ones were made from graded gun parts. I only seek philly guns because they are Ah Fox guns, the savage guns are by no means poor quality I just feel that the phily guns are finished a little better. I have never seen a fox that was loose or off the face and I have seen some pretty beat up guns.The comment regarding "The Finest Gun in The World" was not my opinion only Ainsley's words. By comparision my model 21 is not as durable as the foxes are and at 4x the price and most people think that the 21 is a bettergun. I never thought that a 21 trap would be worth the price of an uncased Purdey, I guess collectability outweighs quality these days. I hope to find that 20ga B with 26'' bbls and a straight stock to fill the part of a grouse/woodcock gun. I only wish that Ainsley had built 28's as I think they would be fantastic bird guns.
 
A picture showing off the straight stock would of made us all envyous......

I have an image of the stock which I'll post when I get home. The finish on the stock is wearing through, so the wood doesn't show as well as it might. Still, for a 95 year old gun, it's held up well.

Originally Posted by doubleman >:
I thought it was 20768 but you may be right it could be 20168.

The serial number is 20168, suggesting a 1912 manufacture.

Originally Posted by Ahsan Ahmed >:
Very nice piece, congrats! Don't know Fox shotgun history that well.....is the firearm originally chambered for 2 1/2 inch?

I believe it was chambered in 2 3/4", but I'm not sure. I hunted with it right after I got it, but I was using 2 1/2" Gamebore Pure Gold, so there was no urgency to measure the chamber (especially when compared alongside my desire to take advantage of a beautiful day and try my new toy!)
 
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Great find. Congratulations. The "B" models weren't made for that long according to the list I have and production stopped in 1918 while the other grades were made much longer. And with the 32" barrels it's definitely a rare item.

Just out of interest what does the gun weigh and how is it choked? Was this ordered as someone's waterfowler perhaps?
 
:) I had a Sterlingworth with the Parker pins, the only year the made them! It was a Philedelphia gun with 30 inch barrels and a very short stock. I finished 9th at the World SxS with it, several years ago! It was tight and a very good handling gun. I bought it at least 10 year bac for several hundred Cdn$. Sold it through a major US collection clearing house, for a few $k. I miss it. :( I should of kept it.

The one with the most toys win!:eek:

Somewhere way over 100, and counting, including a good number of prohibs and military!:50cal::p

Best regards,
Henry;)
 
I'd put a Winchester 21 from their custom shop back in the day up against any European scattergun of the same vintage.
I saw a custom shop Winchester 21 up against some fine English sxs in the gunroom at Churchills in the late 90's.

Among some of the best names in the English trade that Winchester stood out on the gun rack like a fat girl at a supermodels convention. :D
 
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I saw a custom shop Winchester 21 up against some fine English sxs in the gunroom at Churchills in the late 90's.

Among some of the best names in the English trade that Winchester stood out on the gun rack like a fat girl at a supermodels convention. :D

Debates are simply a difference of opinions :) However, I must say from a true comparison perspective CB summed it up very well.
 
I saw a custom shop Winchester 21 up against some fine English sxs in the gunroom at Churchills in the late 90's.

Among some of the best names in the English trade that Winchester stood out on the gun rack like a fat girl at a supermodels convention. :D

Purdy's? Just because you pay $25,000+ for a gun doesn't mean it's any better.:p It just means you're paying for all the time it took some Limey to hand file the barrels down instead of modern manufacturing which is much more precise.:shotgun:
 
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