Mauser extractor - where do I buy one?

If your magazine fails to work on both rifles your gun is basically useless anyways. You don’t lose mannlicher clips, all the ammo they were issued was on them. If they ran out of clips they were literally out of ammo.

Planning for some unrealistic reality doesn’t make sense. These rifles were to be fed from their very reliable magazines. If the magazine somehow gets damaged without taking out the whole rifle (very unlikely) thats what they have bayonets for. Were 100+ years in the future and it’s very rare to have any magazine issues with either rifle, when they were new they would have been in even better shape.
 
geologist said:
On BRNO crfs some guys push in on the extractor when they want to close the bolt with one already in the chamber. I don't do it but I've seen it done, usually so they have a full mag plus 1.
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I believe that was the drill to single load Mauser rifles. Push in on the side of the extractor to cause the beak of the extractor to move out from the bolt face.
 
Eaglelord17 said:
If your magazine fails to work on both rifles your gun is basically useless anyways. You don’t lose mannlicher clips, all the ammo they were issued was on them. If they ran out of clips they were literally out of ammo.

Planning for some unrealistic reality doesn’t make sense. These rifles were to be fed from their very reliable magazines. If the magazine somehow gets damaged without taking out the whole rifle (very unlikely) thats what they have bayonets for. Were 100+ years in the future and it’s very rare to have any magazine issues with either rifle, when they were new they would have been in even better shape.
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I have a book at home; it's like nudey magazine to the guys in this forum. 'Military Bolt action rifles of the world'
Beautiful pictures of pretty much everything ever made that is a Milsurp bolt. In the foreword the author states something along the lines of " ...the only real improvements in Bolt Action rifles are the magazines. Nothing is as highly engineered as the magazine / clip on a Milsurp weapon. It is the toughest part to get perfect"
I agree with Eagle...without the magazine, it's really not much of a weapon.
 
Oh, it's worth the money. What, 1 fill of the gas tank from 'Empty' is about the right cost?
So the kids don't get new shoes? They can't go anywhere regardless.
It's an unbelievable bit of photography of milsurps.
Get it...or get the local Library to.
 
tokguy said:
Your user name...hmm. How good is a Garand without it's en-bloc clips? Not much good I'd warrant. And push come to shove you can load an 98 from the top...ain't easy like a Lee Enfield or a Krag...but you can do it IIRC
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The Garand is actually very good at single loading without its enblock clip,just put a round in the chamber,hold back the charging handle with the palm of your hand,depress the magazine follower with the thumb and let the bolt fly forward.
This is how it feeds every round from the clip,no controlled feed in an M1,the bolt shoves the round straight into the chamber,firing pin is held back by the receiver bridge,so it cannot set of a slam fire,the extractor does not engage the extractor groove until the bolt is in battery because it was shaped for single feeding.

But coming back to my earlier question,Springfield copied in their 1903 the Mauser bolt design,but improved on the extractor design by shaping it different so it would single feed and not be dependent on the magazine which could be held in reserve by the magazine cut off.
So my question was since Springfield "stole" the bolt design from Mauser why did Mauser not "steal" the extractor design from Springfield,maybe they thought that because they Are German their design was so much better.(bei uns ist alles besser)
And of course at 100 meters a bayonet is not going to help you!
 
M1-Garand said:
The Garand is actually very good at single loading without its enblock clip,just put a round in the chamber,hold back the charging handle with the palm of your hand,depress the magazine follower with the thumb and let the bolt fly forward.
This is how it feeds every round from the clip,no controlled feed in an M1,the bolt shoves the round straight into the chamber,firing pin is held back by the receiver bridge,so it cannot set of a slam fire,the extractor does not engage the extractor groove until the bolt is in battery because it was shaped for single feeding.

But coming back to my earlier question,Springfield copied in their 1903 the Mauser bolt design,but improved on the extractor design by shaping it different so it would single feed and not be dependent on the magazine which could be held in reserve by the magazine cut off.
So my question was since Springfield "stole" the bolt design from Mauser why did Mauser not "steal" the extractor design from Springfield,maybe they thought that because they Are German their design was so much better.(bei uns ist alles besser)
And of course at 100 meters a bayonet is not going to help you!
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Mauser likely didn't care at all about the M1903 other than the patent violations. Again why redesign something that works, change your whole production line, and waste time in general for something that doesn't matter to them for a issue that doesn't exist? Clearly no one else really cared about this problem either or they would have changed it as they sold that rifle literally worldwide.
 
M1-Garand said:
The Garand is actually very good at single loading without its enblock clip,just put a round in the chamber,hold back the charging handle with the palm of your hand,depress the magazine follower with the thumb and let the bolt fly forward.
This is how it feeds every round from the clip,no controlled feed in an M1,the bolt shoves the round straight into the chamber,firing pin is held back by the receiver bridge,so it cannot set of a slam fire,the extractor does not engage the extractor groove until the bolt is in battery because it was shaped for single feeding.

But coming back to my earlier question,Springfield copied in their 1903 the Mauser bolt design,but improved on the extractor design by shaping it different so it would single feed and not be dependent on the magazine which could be held in reserve by the magazine cut off.
So my question was since Springfield "stole" the bolt design from Mauser why did Mauser not "steal" the extractor design from Springfield,maybe they thought that because they Are German their design was so much better.(bei uns ist alles besser)
And of course at 100 meters a bayonet is not going to help you!
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Isn't that how out of battery slam fires happen?
 
tiriaq said:
Isn't that how out of battery slam fires happen?
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The Garand is normally loaded from an en bloc clip. The forward velocity of bolt is slowed by stripping a round from the clip. The forward inertia of the free floating firing pin can be one of several factors in a slamfire or out of battery event. Wear on the receiver safety bridge and the tail of the firing pin can prevent this safety feature from working as intended.

Reloads should always be FL resized, cases kept below max OAL, and primers seated below flush with the case head. Check firing pin protrusion as well.

Kuhnhausen's shop manual has an excellent discussion of cause and avoidance of slamfires and out of battery events in the M1 and M14. He covers reloading precautions in some detail.

When single loading I fully chamber a round by hand, then ride the op rod handle about half way to closure and release. Sometimes you have to bump the op rod handle to get the bolt fully closed.
 
oldstarfire said:
Confused.... post #26 claims it wont do that (slam fire)
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If the rifle is in perfect mechanical condition it cannot slamfire,the safety bridge in the receiver does not allow the firing pin to come forward until the bolt has turned into battery.
On all my semis,after careful inspection ,I put a primed case in the chamber and let the bolt fly home,if there is no mark on the primer from the firing pin than the rifle is safe from slam firing in my opinion.

I have a 1943 (all) Winchester M1,I can do the same and it won't leave a mark on the primer,now my BD44 is another story!

What most people don't realize is the semis have a very violent action,the bolts drive the cartridges into the chamber at very high speed and if there is a weak firing pin spring or some other mechanical issue there is a chance of a slam fire.

On the Garand it is the top cartridge that gives the most resistance to the bolt from closing because of the friction between the cartridges and the spring loaded clip,that is why most of the time you have to give the charging handle a bump for the action to close.
After the first shot is fired the other 7 are just being pushed up by the follower with minimum friction in the clip,so they are being slammed into the chamber at great speed,if there is a defect in the rifle you can have a slamfire or OBB than too.
There is a video on utube of an M1 destroying itself for some unknown reason.
 
Just guessing that your average squadie was probably not going to attempt that 'back in the day' ...Garand Thumb looks painful!
Sorta like an AG42 flaw. Not for your average guy to attempt.
 
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