Dealers Restricting powder and primmer sales?

brapjack

brapjack

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So recently I had seen and commented on a post by Eagle Firearms Ltd. ("Your Firearms Retailer in Tisdale!") where they had been informing customers that they would be limiting powder and primmer sales to 2000 primers, and 2 pounds of powder by charging a premium to large orders and actually claiming they have "the RIGHT to limit quantities to better serve customers".

I'm not sure what happened to the original post and I cannot find it, but they have a banner on their web page still. Am I alone in feeling like this is offside? I tend to try and buy in bulk for several reasons.


1. I'm buying large quantities of reloading components that are from the same lot. I purposely do this so i limit the amount of variation in components from different lots. When i got into reloading years ago it was taught to me that powders and primers can vary from lot to lot and for the sake of consistency it's best to buy large quantities of components of the same lots. We are chasing consistency after all... Ideally, an 8-pound jug of powder and 1000ish primers and I'm good for a season of target shooting.

2. I also tend to buy in bulk to save some money, as historically the more ya buy the more ya save..... It is kinda like the whole business model of shopping at Costco.



I have been trying my hardest lately to put my money to work where I can. By this I mean, spending money locally even when it may cost a few bucks more, avoiding buying products made in China, and I have stopped spending my money at businesses that do not line up with my beliefs. I think ill wait for my local gun shop to get my powder in before i support businesses like this that don't support us.


Anyway, am I alone in feeling disappointed that not only is our government, trying to make a mess of our firearm culture in Canada but now our dealers are as well?


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https://www.eaglefirearms.ca/
 
I hear what you are saying and I don't disagree with you but I think they are trying to combat hoarding. I guess for me it all comes down to free market enterprise. They can run their business the way they want and you can shop from whoever you want.
 
Private enterprises have the right to operate their business as they see fit. Including but not limited to the right to refuse service and limit quantity. This is nothing new. As for powder and primers, there are shortages country wide. It's up to the business if they want to sell it all to one or two customers or spread the limited stock across their customer base. Damn if they do and damn if they don't.
 
With hoarding and people buying to resell at inflated prices, Eagle Firearms made a choice.
Their business, their rules.
You're welcome to go elsewhere. That's your call.
 
brapjack said:
So recently I had seen and commented on a post by Eagle Firearms Ltd. ("Your Firearms Retailer in Tisdale!") where they had been informing customers that they would be limiting powder and primmer sales to 2000 primers, and 2 pounds of powder by charging a premium to large orders and actually claiming they have "the RIGHT to limit quantities to better serve customers".

I'm not sure what happened to the original post and I cannot find it, but they have a banner on their web page still. Am I alone in feeling like this is offside? I tend to try and buy in bulk for several reasons.


1. I'm buying large quantities of reloading components that are from the same lot. I purposely do this so i limit the amount of variation in components from different lots. When i got into reloading years ago it was taught to me that powders and primers can vary from lot to lot and for the sake of consistency it's best to buy large quantities of components of the same lots. We are chasing consistency after all... Ideally, an 8-pound jug of powder and 1000ish primers and I'm good for a season of target shooting.

2. I also tend to buy in bulk to save some money, as historically the more ya buy the more ya save..... It is kinda like the whole business model of shopping at Costco.



I have been trying my hardest lately to put my money to work where I can. By this I mean, spending money locally even when it may cost a few bucks more, avoiding buying products made in China, and I have stopped spending my money at businesses that do not line up with my beliefs. I think ill wait for my local gun shop to get my powder in before i support businesses like this that don't support us.


Anyway, am I alone in feeling disappointed that not only is our government, trying to make a mess of our firearm culture in Canada but now our dealers are as well?


https://www.eaglefirearms.ca/
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No. Wrong. 100% Wrong.

If dealers wanted to #### with you, they would keep everything for themselves. They are trying to keep their shelves stocked as long as possible so they can serve as many people/customers as possible. The people that are ####ing with you are the ones buying and instantly reselling for a markup, aka scalping. Just look at the EE if you want examples of this.

You need to pick and follow some of the US stores. Many are into hardcore rationing. 1 box of 9mm per person per day kind of rationing. Once you get a taste of what's happening down south, you'll respect what our Canadian dealers are doing. (I hope)
 
Limits to allow more customers to get at least some stock is a good thing. If you have a few containers of powder and are worried about lot inconsistency, just mix it all together and rebottle it. There is a current thread about this in the reloading section.
 
Right now I have been informed my distributors that supplies are limited. Some are not even getting added to their inventory, and unless you pre-booked the supplies you are SOL. I recently got an email from a supplier that on April 1, prices from Visa Outdoors will be increasing for ammunition and reloading supplies by 10-15%.

A major power and ammo re-manufacturing company, informed me that they will not be selling any power to retail because they have been notified powder shortages can last another 30 months.

Bullet manufacturers lead times have also doubled, in Canada also. Before it was 4-5 weeks to get an order from Campro, now its 8-9 weeks if you are lucky.

I applaud eagle for rationing reloading supplies, but their pricing is way out of whack to start with. $55 for powder, $85 for primers. They don't deal with the suppliers I deal with.

I have been warning people of primer/powder shortages for the last 4 months.
 
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No, you're completely wrong. The dealer is doing what he should, keeping as many people in the game as possible and protecting them from the scumballs who are currently buying up all the powder they can and reselling it later at huge markups. The same people who lowball on the ee and then resell at a big profit a week later.

If you waited until now to buy this summer's shooting supplies then that's not the dealer's fault either. Got to pay attention in times like this.
 
Get use to it....it's never going to change, learnt my lesson with the .22 and primer issues awhile back.Don't blame the retailer....blame yourself for smelling the roses!!..
 
madcow said:
Right now I have been informed my distributors that supplies are limited. Some are not even getting added to their inventory, and unless you pre-booked the supplies you are SOL. I recently got an email from a supplier that on April 1, prices from Visa Outdoors will be increasing for ammunition and reloading supplies by 10-15%.

A major power and ammo re-manufacturing company, informed me that they will not be selling any power to retail because they have been notified powder shortages can last another 30 months.

Bullet manufacturers lead times have also doubled, in Canada also. Before it was 4-5 weeks to get an order from Campro, now its 8-9 weeks if you are lucky.

I applaud eagle for rationing reloading supplies, but their pricing is way out of whack to start with. $55 for powder, $85 for primers, sorry that gouging, or they don't deal with the suppliers I deal with.
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$55 for powder is gouging? That's a better price than most retailers are doing right now. Apparently we should be buying powder from your store instead.
 
madcow said:
Right now I have been informed my distributors that supplies are limited. Some are not even getting added to their inventory, and unless you pre-booked the supplies you are SOL. I recently got an email from a supplier that on April 1, prices from Visa Outdoors will be increasing for ammunition and reloading supplies by 10-15%.

A major power and ammo re-manufacturing company, informed me that they will not be selling any power to retail because they have been notified powder shortages can last another 30 months.

Bullet manufacturers lead times have also doubled, in Canada also. Before it was 4-5 weeks to get an order from Campro, now its 8-9 weeks if you are lucky.

I applaud eagle for rationing reloading supplies, but their pricing is way out of whack to start with. $55 for powder, $85 for primers. They don't deal with the suppliers I deal with.

I have been warning people of primer/powder shortages for the last 4 months.
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I stocked up last year when I helped a site sponsor when the range they are connected to was shut down for several months
 
jethunter said:
$55 for powder is gouging? That's a better price than most retailers are doing right now. Apparently we should be buying powder from your store instead.
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Have you checked the price of building materials lately?

Lumber, plywood, drywall, doors, wire...........you name it going through the roof.

Just wait until you get the tax bill for the Liberal/NDP largess!!

Carbon tax.................just what we need.

Gas and diesel is way up.
 
I find it kind of sad that some guy thinks because he afford to buy all the power , that he can and gets his panties in a knot ,when the a small dealer wants to have a bit of stock for his local customers that have supported him for many years.
I read those post yesterday and there where quite a few that supported the hoarder.
The customer is not right all the time.
 
Apparently wanting more than two pounds of powder makes you a hoarder now. I’ll go through more than that in one reloading session sometimes.
 
I have a good supply on hand, and i have never had any issues buying large lots... i hardly feel like an 8-pound jug is hoarding or should demand a premium.
 
The retailer is in a "no win" situation.
This is not the only one doing this, several are doing it somewhat covertly by not allowing you to put more than X amount in your cart even though they have more than that

They are trying to make sure that most customers get some, vs 1 or 1 customers getting all.
IIRC in their OP they had people buying 80,000 primers at a time. Probably to resell at a profit to you later when there are none available....

I dont see anything wrong with limiting quantities as long as it is up front.

I agree 100% with post 2-3-4

If I walked in ahead of you and purchased all their inventory you might have a different outlook. Maybe not.
 
slarsen47 said:
Have you checked the price of building materials lately?

Lumber, plywood, drywall, doors, wire...........you name it going through the roof.

Just wait until you get the tax bill for the Liberal/NDP largess!!

Carbon tax.................just what we need.

Gas and diesel is way up.
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Yeah I'm aware of all that, and is why I was questioning the guy who said $55/lb is gouging.

EDIT: I see the "gouging" remark is gone, probably for the best.
 
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Bought some h4350 the other day and the dealer was limiting to 3 pounds per person
I’m okay with the dealers limiting supplies to get more out to more people
I’ve got a decent supply of supplies that I’ve been slowly stocking up over the last year
Unfortunately never gonna stop the scalpers from trying to buy everything up and reselling for profits
Best to get what you need beforehand for when you Really need it :)
 
" claim they have the right to limit quantities" they do its there store. go buy someplace else if there tastes do not suit you
 
Deathrawt said:
Bought some h4350 the other day and the dealer was limiting to 3 pounds per person
I’m okay with the dealers limiting supplies to get more out to more people
I’ve got a decent supply of supplies that I’ve been slowly stocking up over the last year
Unfortunately never gonna stop the scalpers from trying to buy everything up and reselling for profits
Best to get what you need beforehand for when you Really need it :)
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So hoarding is ok just not right now? lol

I am not in need of supplies, i am just disappointed in this.... 1-2 pounds of powder is what i will buy to test a load during load development... Once i find a winner i tend to want to buy 8 pounds... nothing worse than finding a load and then cant find powder and have to start over....

Most of you are missing the point....... 2 pounds of powder is not a lot.
 
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