I loaded a bunch of 68 and 75 honady hpbt as well as 69 sierra.and noticed the 68 had a ring creased in them.im using a lee dead length seating die.i notice the 68 is the same length as 75 but skinny. And much longer then the 69 mk.it only happens on the 68,also did some 52 hpbt with no circle dent.any one know what might be happening.
68 hpbt creases
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I see that lee has a different stem for the 223 match bullets,I'm going to try and find one,although 25.1 varget was my money shot 24.4 was there without the velocity. So I can do 24.4 and seat the bullet at 2.268 and see if that works.it was not as accurate as my 69 but are cheaper.and the 75 is what I'm messing with to shoot 600,if not the 69.ive also had not bad results with 335 and the 68 without the crunch.but if I can find the replacement stem will order it because I have 600 68 left.
The non VLD stem.
The VLD bullet is usually an option.
We have many different ogive today - Secan - Hybrid - VLD to name a few - have a look below.
Different bullet with different profile. Stem must fit. So if you load and play different brand, be prepare to obtain or modify stem. Wrong stem also produce OAL variation.
Useless to buy quality bullet, to damage them while seating them.
The VLD bullet is usually an option.
We have many different ogive today - Secan - Hybrid - VLD to name a few - have a look below.
Different bullet with different profile. Stem must fit. So if you load and play different brand, be prepare to obtain or modify stem. Wrong stem also produce OAL variation.
Useless to buy quality bullet, to damage them while seating them.
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Munkey1973
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Feel free to dismiss this advice.
But if you are getting decent groups with 24.4 varget (or maybe the same groups as 25.1), then I would go with the 24.4.
While I have experimented with the 75 Hornady in the past - I am not an expert on this projectile (plenty of experience with Berger 80.5, 82, and 90 VLD) , but 25.1 varget seems really really hot to me.
I have Hornady's manual, and for the 75 BTHP they show a max charge for Varget of 23.5
Of course, your brass, barrel length, freebore/throat, CBOT, twist etc etc may or may not be the same as their test rifle....nonetheless, you are 1.5 grain over "book max."
Even with your 24.4 grain Varget load still seems rather screaming hot to me.... curious, what are your getting for velocities at 24.4 and 25.1 ?
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Your right 25.1 is a hot load,I'm not using that with the 75 just the 68 and 69 I use 24.5 varget on the 75 and no higher.i don't want anyone getting confused.my velocity with 24.5 is 2811and 24.0gr gets me 2696 out of a 24" tika t3x for the 75bthp.68 bthp is 2948 and 69 sierra is 2971.
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Munkey1973
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For 90 VLDs Berger recommends a 1:6.5 twist (which I can't recall any factory 223s with that kind of twist).
I ran them in a SAMMI spec 223 Remington chamber in Bartlien 1:7 twist, 32 inch barrel and after mnay interations of load development I got them to work.
I will have to look through notes for load data as I do not load 223 (bolt action) anymore.
Generally, the 90 VLDs are often a PITA to develop a robust & consistent load.... the 80.5 are a breeze to develop... the Berger 82s they pretty good at finding the sweet spot too.
Decided to load an empty case,seated it all the way to 2.200.and no crease.the 68 bthp is such along bullet and varget 25.1 is a really compressed load it dents the 68's which isn't a tough bullet to begin with.you wouldn't want to take it to a bar with allot of tough bullets.the sad part is I took the last 6 with me to the range Monday on a day with no wind or heat or mirage,and it shot a 200 yard group that I shoot with a 22lr at 25yrds.it was the best 200 yard group I have ever shot.,only thing close was a 7 shot string of 60 v maxes.5 of the six a dime would cover.i have a flip phone are would of taken a picture.i wanted them to shoot as good as the 69 mk,because of price.now I'm befuddled.
The best that I could do with the Hornady bullets - 68gr and 75gr was:-
68gr
23.0gr/IMR4064
Group 1.156" @ 100yds
75gr
22.0gr/AA2230
Group 1.25" @ 100yds
All bullets had a ring from the seating stem.
I having good luck with the Sierra 69gr and the Berger 73gr.
Rifle - Rem 700 5R barrel.
68gr
23.0gr/IMR4064
Group 1.156" @ 100yds
75gr
22.0gr/AA2230
Group 1.25" @ 100yds
All bullets had a ring from the seating stem.
I having good luck with the Sierra 69gr and the Berger 73gr.
Rifle - Rem 700 5R barrel.
Re: your compressed loads: I saw a dude on youtube who used an electric toothbrush to settle the powder. I turned it back side to the brass and let it vibrate against the brass for a few seconds. You could see the powder level drop in the case. Then he seated the bullet.
Ya i saw that to,I actually pulled out my electric toothbrush to try it my battery won't take a charge lol.2.6 is single fed for sure,I have had really good luck with 73eld but again single fed,I need to order one for my tika 223 I wonder if they work in a savage 223 or you need specific to the gun.keep trying to find a reloading place that has 3 things I want so I can bunch order.
