T97 3rd Gen or WS-MCR/WK 180

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Okay, not wanting to hear from anyone on how bad a rifle is, just owners of T97s and WS/WKs on the possible issues such as no spare part concerns for T97s, reliability, able to reach 300 yards with optics, and bullpup ergonomics.

I have friends with 180s and they like them, and I know the WS has enhancements, and both seem to be able to hit gongs pretty easy at 200m, so please reply to what I am asking.

For me it comes down to the bullpup Chinese rifle design/support over a Canadian standard rifle design/support. I have had numerous Chinese guns with absolutely no issues, but cannot find any spare parts kits for the T97.

As I have never owned a bullpup, I really want to understand how different the T97 is for trigger, bolt/magazine releases.

Thanks
Randy
 
Had all 3 rifles. If you want something thats going to run the test of time...T97 gen 2 or 3
There is no way the wk180 will match its longjivity
the WS....I dont know for sure......but its like carrying a "jack-all" through the woods. long and heavy.
 
Can't speak to the T97 as I generally avoid stuff built by greasy commies but I do have a WS. Added a bolt release and swapped the trigger for a Geissele and put a 1-8.5 on top. The gun reliably shoots 55gr into sub 2 moa and 75gr handloads sub 1.5 moa. I was making hits with it at 640 yards the other day shooting standing off my tripod. I'm just shy of 2k rounds on it now. Only issue I've had is that it won't run pmags but no issues with USGI mags. The barrel is heavier than it needs to be but it is accurate and reliable.
 
thegazelle said:
They won't run ANY PMAGs, or certain generation of PMAGs?
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Mine won't run the Pmags I have on hand, which are all gen 2s. If you look at the back of a Pmag, the notch is much smaller (and more of a "V" than the square cutout of a USGI mag) than the notch on a USGI mag. Apparently if you square up the notch in the back of the Pmag, it'll run fine in a WS although some guys have no issues running them un-modified. I've yet to try modding my Pmags cause I have plenty of USGI mags and 10 round MFT pistol mags which run great.
 
rugbydave said:
Mine won't run the Pmags I have on hand, which are all gen 2s. If you look at the back of a Pmag, the notch is much smaller (and more of a "V" than the square cutout of a USGI mag) than the notch on a USGI mag. Apparently if you square up the notch in the back of the Pmag, it'll run fine in a WS although some guys have no issues running them un-modified. I've yet to try modding my Pmags cause I have plenty of USGI mags and 10 round MFT pistol mags which run great.
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Thanks for the information. Have you tried the LAR15 mags with the T97?
 
I own both and I like them. The WS MCR is more accurate then the T-97. I sight in at 200 yards and at that range my WS MCR is 2 moa and the T97 is 3 MOA. At 100 yards the WSMCR is 1.5 MOA which is surprisingly accurate for the style of rifle. I shoot 10 shot groups not 3 shot hero groups. The trigger on the WS MCR is much much better and can easily be improved with an AR Trigger Job. Mine is about 4 lbs with a crisp break. The T-97 is like squeezing a sponge and eventually the gun will fire with no perceptible break.

Reliability definitely goes to the T-97. The WS MCR if you jam the magazine in with too much force it will cause a malfunction that requires partial disassemble to clear. The T97 ejection is violent flings brass a good 20 feet. Will work with any 223 reliably.

The T97 I have not had a jam the WS MCR I have occasionally had a malfunction. The stock on the WS MCR is junk. Some Aliexpress magpul knock off I broke mine clearing a jam.



The ws mcr works with every mag I tried. The T97 works well with all my metal mags but not mft lar mags it just does not fit in the mag well.

If you can afford it buy both they are both. I like the WS MCR because it is more accurate but it needs to be babied it not a service rifle. I like the T-97 as it is far more robust and will go bang reliably. While not as accurate as the WS-MCR it is as accurate as my tavor TAR 21 and more accurate then my benelli MR1.

If I had to choose one over the other I definitely would choose the T97. Reliability to me is far more important than a marginal increase in accuracy.
 
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I owned a t97 ftu and I own a ws mcr

My type 97 shot good, but it could be picky on mags, I lucked out with one that ran mft lar15 polymer mags but lots of them can't.

The mcr on the other hand has worked with every mag I've put in it.

With cheap ammo both shot the same 2-3 moa.

T97 is handier for sure, but if you want anything for better economics good luck... The mcr has mlock and an ar-15 buffer tube... The world is your oyster for attachments.

Both have ok trigger (t97 was way better then a gen 1 Tavor trigger)
Mcr is an easy swap as the new ones take drop in trigger groups, t97 has like one after market option and it's a big #### around.

If your goal is hitting steel at 300m both are going to be fine...

I give the edge to the t97 for shooting offhand and the mcr for shooting prone due to far better ergonomics for that shooting posistion. Which means if you want to start hitting 400-500 the mcr is going to be the best bet.

But run and gun, standing and kneeling the t97 is going to be better, and stock from the factory it has better controls (Ambi mag release, bolt stop release.

One more thing to consider, t97 maintenance. is a tool less take down,. So it's easy to clean, mcr needs a wrench and 1/4 socket and allen keys to take the gas system apart.
T97 also has adverse on the gas block so you can run it a lot dirtier before getting gas stoppages.
T97 parts are more captive as well, I would be afraid to field strip my mcr over anything but a table and a hard surfaced floor. That spring loaded firing pin likes to #### off fast when you pull the retaining pin and the spring is not captive to the pin, and while you are lunging for those pieces, the bolt cam pin falls out.....yeah.... That was fun...
 
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I have C Defense LAR15 mags that are metal. Wonder if they will work instead of the polymer ones.

Having magazine compatibility is definitely a strong point in picking between the two. Easy takedown (at least for me) is another bonus.

Thanks for the detailed comparison based on your experience. This information is very helpful for those of us who are considering these
 
Yeah, too bad there are no spare parts kits for the T97.

On a tanget, I wonder how the T97 Gen3 compares to the Keltec RDB? Perhaps the T97 is the better of the two? Anyone?
 
First, a hearty thank you for the posts above. Even though this is a topic that comes up periodically over and over again, it is very useful information and I appreciate those of you who took the time to report your own experiences with these rifles. I always read these posts with interest.

Second, just a note of advice to other novices like me in this field of modern sporting semiautomatic rifles... Reliability, and solid quality, if not outright ruggedness of construction are of absolutely highest priority in my view.

Regardless of budget.

I was very conscious of pricing starting out, and I wasted money on unreliable items, which were nice in concept, and not too expensive, and are now completely useless, broken, and awaiting repairs, which will probably take the better part of half a year, warranty or not.

Reliability is key. Saving a few hundred bucks - or even $1000 - makes no sense whatsoever, if you buy junk.

I would rather have one $3000 rifle that I can depend on for the rest of my life, rather than a couple pieces of junk at $1000 apiece, that can't even withstand gentle usage in indoor ranges, etc.

Seems like an obvious point, but it was an expensive lesson.

I will let someone else decide where the X95, MCR, Benelli MR1, and Kel-Tecs shakeout with respect to the above


Dueodde.
 
thegazelle said:
I have C Defense LAR15 mags that are metal. Wonder if they will work instead of the polymer ones.

Having magazine compatibility is definitely a strong point in picking between the two. Easy takedown (at least for me) is another bonus.

Thanks for the detailed comparison based on your experience. This information is very helpful for those of us who are considering these
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The Gen 2 I had would take the C-products mags. It had a tight magwell and I had to squeeze the spine of the mags in a vice to get them to go in easily. That was the case with all mags, not just the C-products. I never tried running plastic mags in it.
 
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