T97 3rd Gen or WS-MCR/WK 180
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bluegrizz77
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Just watched this now, pretty good review.
My two cents. I own a WK-180C, upgraded bolt handle, shell deflector, extended Mlok Handguard and I installed the Bolt Release and a Muzzle Brake. I'm running a Vortex 1-6×24 and °45 offset sights. I bought it second hand and have put about 300 rounds through it and the other day I got the scope sighted in and managed to shoot sub 1 inch groups at 100 yards with my 55gr fmj handloads and with factory hunting ammo. It's eaten everything I have fed it, maybe 1 FTF. Seems to take any mag I put in it and the trigger is actually pretty nice, decent break and a tactile reset. It's a bit over 9Lbs in current configuration, but I don't mind it.
That said, I plan on buying a T97 gen3 for my wife. She is able to handle it and I like that it's the same caliber and mags as my rifle. The balance makes the gun feel lighter than it is and like the flat top. The trigger on the ones I've held aren't anything to right home about, however it seems very serviceable.
That said, I plan on buying a T97 gen3 for my wife. She is able to handle it and I like that it's the same caliber and mags as my rifle. The balance makes the gun feel lighter than it is and like the flat top. The trigger on the ones I've held aren't anything to right home about, however it seems very serviceable.
Had 2 buddy's show up late in the day with a Gen1 WK and T97.
Was getting dark but my ex CFs buddy shot both at 50 yards low light (so 2 Mildots off POI) off a wobbly bench. The WK was very accurate but started stringing after the 4th shot. The T97 had shot 5 pulled but was getting too dark to try again, man is he a great shooter.
All in all, both shot very well, and never missed the little steels at 50 yards!
Cannot say enough about both these platforms would love to see a Tavor grouping as well.
The bullpup is strange getting used, the scope rings were too low but higher mounts are coming, flung and dented the brass, but was overall an super compact dependable shooter.
Once he gets the new scope rings we will try 100 yards.
Was getting dark but my ex CFs buddy shot both at 50 yards low light (so 2 Mildots off POI) off a wobbly bench. The WK was very accurate but started stringing after the 4th shot. The T97 had shot 5 pulled but was getting too dark to try again, man is he a great shooter.
All in all, both shot very well, and never missed the little steels at 50 yards!
Cannot say enough about both these platforms would love to see a Tavor grouping as well.
The bullpup is strange getting used, the scope rings were too low but higher mounts are coming, flung and dented the brass, but was overall an super compact dependable shooter.
Once he gets the new scope rings we will try 100 yards.
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2008reedges
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Had 2 buddy's show up late in the day with a Gen1 WK and T97.
Was getting dark but my ex CFs buddy shot both at 50 yards low light (so 2 Mildots off POI) off a wobbly bench. The WK was very accurate but started stringing after the 4th shot. The T97 had shot 5 pulled but was getting too dark to try again, man is he a great shooter.
All in all, both shot very well, and never missed the little steels at 50 yards!
Cannot say enough about both these platforms would love to see a Tavor grouping as well.
The bullpup is strange getting used, the scope rings were too low but higher mounts are coming, flung and dented the brass, but was overall an super compact dependable shooter.
Once he gets the new scope rings we will try 100 yards.
Looks great! Haven’t done 50 yards yet myself but it groups alright at 25..
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421SuperDuty
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Except not everybody can afford a $3000 rifle and have no choice but to settle for $1000 "junk" they have to make work. And let's face it, a "$3000 rifle that I can depend on for the rest of my life" does not exist in Canada, dependable rifles means they are proven designs and those are all prohibited. The rifles are $3,000 because they are special snowflake weirdo guns that somehow got through the bans and that we pay exorbitant import fees and markups on. I would definitely spend $3,000 on a Jim Fuller AK, Sig MCX, Daniel Defence, Knight Armament or LaRue AR-15, or DSA FN FAL, none of the overpriced fisher price or swiss watch NR rifles we have available right now can compete, even $1000 american budget rifles run circles around them.
After shooting my buddy's T97 I can 100% say it is of military grade. Compared to civilian rifles both the Tavor and T97 are designed for rough service, and are dependable.
My challenge would be, would you spend 1100.00 on a T97, 400.00 for optics, 300.00 on magazines, and 1200.00 on ammo and put up with the crappy safety position, or by a Tavor, as they are both just as accurate and dependable.
The Tavor is just as battle proven as the T97/X95, the Tavor has better mag release and safety, plus mounting points, but the T97 feels thinner for a cheek weld and front forearm, has a not bad trigger, and points and shoots naturally.
So guess it comes down to budget and needs.
My challenge would be, would you spend 1100.00 on a T97, 400.00 for optics, 300.00 on magazines, and 1200.00 on ammo and put up with the crappy safety position, or by a Tavor, as they are both just as accurate and dependable.
The Tavor is just as battle proven as the T97/X95, the Tavor has better mag release and safety, plus mounting points, but the T97 feels thinner for a cheek weld and front forearm, has a not bad trigger, and points and shoots naturally.
So guess it comes down to budget and needs.
can't speak to the T97 but shot a friends MCR/180 yesterday .. didn't go well.
with Pmags it would not eject. Bolt moved back maybe 1/4 the way back. With the supplied steel Israeli mag still wouldn't eject, bolt moved 2/3 of the way back.
Ran one round in chamber with no mag and it ejected every time but ejection was very limp. Didn't exactly just fall out of the rifle but it had a very wimpy ejection, tossed it about 1:30-2:00.
I ran the bolt over the two empty mags and seems to me there's way too much downward pressure from the bottom of the bolt on the top of the mag/follower, especially the Pmag.
Have no idea what is going on with this thing but it's literally a one shot rifle at the moment. Also gotta say it's a real pig to handle. And even though the receiver set seemed decent, all other parts are the cheapest AR parts you can buy.
with Pmags it would not eject. Bolt moved back maybe 1/4 the way back. With the supplied steel Israeli mag still wouldn't eject, bolt moved 2/3 of the way back.
Ran one round in chamber with no mag and it ejected every time but ejection was very limp. Didn't exactly just fall out of the rifle but it had a very wimpy ejection, tossed it about 1:30-2:00.
I ran the bolt over the two empty mags and seems to me there's way too much downward pressure from the bottom of the bolt on the top of the mag/follower, especially the Pmag.
Have no idea what is going on with this thing but it's literally a one shot rifle at the moment. Also gotta say it's a real pig to handle. And even though the receiver set seemed decent, all other parts are the cheapest AR parts you can buy.
That sounds unusual, reliability with both WK and WS-MCRs has been very high
I've got first-hand knowledge of 3, two WKs and one WS.
All of them have had issues, from broken parts on the WKs to double-feeding and mag pickiness on the WS.
Why Bratwurst is gaslighting for these guns is one of CGN's little mysteries.
"Gaslighting#is a form of emotional abuse that's seen in abusive relationships. It's the act of manipulating a person by forcing them to question their thoughts, memories, and the events occurring around them."
I'm not sure if gaslighting means what you think it does haha, either way it gave me a smile.
Strange, my shooting buddies have an old Gen1WK no issues after a few years except for a extractor spring, the has a T97 less than a year old with absolutely no issues. Kind of leaning to the T97 for a grab and run gun, but the WK is a more conventional shooting experience, muscle memory after years with an AR is hard to change. 
The WSMCR is a pretty rad rifle. I hope they make a 308 version. Would def buy. T97 has always called my attention but I’ve always chosen to buy firearms with a solid aftermarket/part replacement situation. It matters when things break, and trust me, things break. The MCR isn’t perfect but it handles well if your comfortable with weight. The women in my family I’ve had behind it miss the good ol days of regular ARs but what can ya do. They manage the weight increase just fine all ranging between 5’4-5’9. Once you hold one you understand the tank that it is. Trigger is absolute trash. Easily the biggest reason for accuracy issues on this rifle. The stock needs to be STAKED. I figure the factory doesn’t do it because of the amount of aftermarket options individuals will most likely lean towards or adding Buffer Sling Mounts. If you don’t have a Gunsmith near you ask the Store your purchasing it from to STAKE the CastleNut before shipping. My 2Cents.
And it's in common use now for when inaccurate information is repeated over and over again so that folks believe it must be true.
My experience with this format is low. I handled one awhile back (didn't shoot) and really didn't like it for many reasons. Also stumbled across many posts detailing a sizeable list of issues. But to be honest never really cared because I'm not going to own one.
Now that I spent more time with one and actually shot it I have a really hard time believing this is a reliable rifle. I will pay a little more attention to try to help my friend out but am seriously not impressed with this thing.
And I'm very perplexed as to why the bolt rides so heavy over an unloaded mag in this particular rifle. Best I can describe it is the mag release it set too high in the action so the mag has too much upward pressure.
And I have zero idea why it ejects like a spent ####o star. It suggests under gassed but why would that be out of the box ?
Now that I spent more time with one and actually shot it I have a really hard time believing this is a reliable rifle. I will pay a little more attention to try to help my friend out but am seriously not impressed with this thing.
And I'm very perplexed as to why the bolt rides so heavy over an unloaded mag in this particular rifle. Best I can describe it is the mag release it set too high in the action so the mag has too much upward pressure.
And I have zero idea why it ejects like a spent ####o star. It suggests under gassed but why would that be out of the box ?
It might be worth checking that the gas system is all correctly assembled. I can certainly see how the bolt carrier group might cause issues from what you described.
